1. Agree with this. I was told the same thing. If you order, you get the rebates/incentives in place at the time you take delivery.

2. Somewhat disagree with this. I did buy my truck off the lot because I decided for the $4,750 in rebates I could live with the 3:73's. Other than the gears, the truck is just as I would have ordered it. But in 2007 I went to the dealer to buy a new Mustang. Once I convinced them I wasn't going to buy off their lot, or anyone else's for that matter, they were happy to negotiate with me on the build sheet.

I'm somewhat weird in this way, that I actually LIKE going in and negotiating with these clowns. It's the one time during the process that I'm in control, but you have to have a good idea of what they pay for the vehicle first. You can't take their word for it. Know what your willing to pay first and make sure, and I mean SURE that they know you'll walk if you don't get it. Oh, I get that they deserve to make a profit, but you say things like "Hey, you wanna make a quick $1,000 profit on a sale? or do you want dealer X down the street to get it? If you want it, then order this truck, because I'm not settling for anything else". You'd be amazed how quick their willing to order your truck, and even if it cost you a little in the incentives, you'll have exactly what you wanted, and that will be worth it.

Sorry to be long winded but one more thing. Rebates. I did give in on this technicality when I bought my truck. I paid approx 38K. That was after I was given the rebates. they told me I was getting the truck for $500 over invoice. OK, I said but please don't insult my intelligence by implying you're only making $500. Ford is going to send you a check for the $4750 in rebates. Let's just shake on it and I'll see you at the first oil change.

If you REALLY want to pay "X" amount over the invoice price, you determine what that is first, and then take off the rebates, but good luck with that. I've heard that's a hard bargain, it does happen though. I'm of the opinion that you will never know what they paid for the truck, even if they show you the "invoice". You really think they're gonna show you? And besides, there's all kinda hidden kick back/bonus profit in there from the factory.

Overall, I'm very happy with my dealer. I've bought three new vehicles from them, and they've done me pretty good, during and after the sale. Not everyone can say that.

 

I just got my 2015 super cab long bed 6.2 with 4.30 gears a week ago. As far as incentives, I locked all current in and would add any new ones that were available upon arrival. So I thought this was an even better deal. I have owned a straight 6, 460, 7.3, 6.0, 5.4, and now the 6.2. The 6.2 pulls a 4000 lbs. trailer somewhere between the 460 and 6.0 and much better than my 08 5.4 with 3.73 gears. So far very pleased with 4.30 gears and 6 speed trans. The 6.2 is no kin to the 5.4 when compared to pulling trailers. However, I must say that the 08 with the 5.4 was the best truck that I have ever owned. Good luck on your choice.

 

I can shed some light on the topic for you, as I have a landscape company and we have (3) 6.2 F350's. Two pickups with 3.73's and one 1 ton dump with 4.30's. Here's my impression:

For a pickup that is used in our line of work, the 6.2 with 3.73 is adequate. It is light years better than a 5.4, not even in the same league. You do not need 4.30's at all, believe me, I tow over 11k lbs all the time with mine and never once did I wish I had 4.30's. The 6.2 that is the one I drive, it has a 5 Star tune because I hated the DBW throttle lag, but we just picked up a 2015 F350 6.2 and the stock calibration is much better than what was in the 2012's we bought. It shifts better and the throttle response is better.

As for the 1 ton dump, I sort of regret going with the 6.2. It averages 7.5 mpg towing a 6k trailer all year long, and it feels really under powered in that truck ( it is a Supercab 4x4 dump). The 4.30's cause the truck to recover better on each upshift, but other than that, no major benefit for towing over the 3.73 trucks we have. We just had 2 exhaust manifolds put on under warranty on this truck. It only has 37k miles. I think the heat cycling is what caused the header bolts to break off and the manifolds to leak, which is partly caused by the motor straining to pull the weight of the truck and trailer all the time ( the driver needs to idle the truck down at each stop but I'm not about to add that to my list of micro management tasks).

In summary, I prefer the gas engine (6.2) for a pickup, but the diesel for the dump truck. We do plow and sand with all of our trucks, and they all perform adequately for that task. I prefer the gas engine a little over the diesel for plowing because its so quiet during those times of idling and it has better heat, faster, than a diesel.

I'll probably get thrown off this site for saying this, but if I buy another heavy duty pickup, I'm probably going to try the Dodge with the 6.4 or the Chevy with the 6.0. I like the IFS front on the Chevy better, it is less $ to maintain than a Ford front end setup and I feel the 6.4 Hemi is superior to even a tuned 6.2. Hard to beat the looks of the Ford though!

 

I also have a landscaping business and was curious about your millage with your f350's with the 3.73 gear. My F350 super cab 4x4 long bed with 4.30 gears has averaged 11 miles per gallon with little trailer use and 800 total miles to date. Also, did you see any difference with the turner in respect to millage. I do love the power of the 6.2 compared to the 5.4 and the 4.30 gears feel good. I turn 2000 rpms at 70 miles per hour, witch I feel is a good rpm at that speed.


Before buying this truck, I looked at dump trucks and ended up mentally going with the 450 or 550 with the V10 and 4.88 gears. These trucks turn much tighter and have much more payload than the F350 and I think the millage would be better than 7.5 mpg 's. However I could be wrong, and I did end up going with the truck described above and am happy with it. Thanks for your time.

 

I might be late on this post but just adding what I tow. 2012 Ford F350 xl, 6.2 gas w/4.30. Bought New in 2012, out the door at $33,000. Just purchased New in MN, 2014 Sabre 5th wheel est. 10185 Gvwr 11769. Combined truck/trailer 20189. Camping trip back totaled 1800 miles of with 0 problems. 9/10 avg mpg. Had to remind myself at times I was pulling a 5th wheel. Can't go wrong with the 6.2 4.30 if you ask me. I work at a Dodge dealership in the used service department and we have had only one used 6.2 gas in and it was sold with in 3 weeks. Lot of the hemi's sit for months. Good Luck and Happy new year.

 

Very nice!

I love me some SuperCabs!

-Joe

 

This thread is great. Definitely raises my convindence in the 6.2l. Think I'll go ahead and order my lariat now.

 

Just an update, I got a 6.2 crew cab and I should not have worried at all. This is a beast of a gas engine, I absolutely love it. It is definitely a little slower towing 14k than my tuned 6.0 but it does it very well. It really comes alive after 3.5k rpms. It is the most powerful gas truck engine I've driven. I love using manual mode while towing heavy, the truck feels more "in control" of the load than my 05 f350, more stable and the addition of the transmission makes the towing experience great.
it is absolutely no comparison to my two 5.4's.

 

Congratulations on your new truck! Now we need some pics of your truck doing some work.

 

I just hauled metal for a 50'x121' quonset shed from Denver to Nebraska with my '14 F-350 SRW with the 6.2L and 4.30 gearing, and it towed the load very well. I didn't put my truck and trailer on a scale, but I know I was well over the 22,000# CGVRW tow rating for my truck. I don't tow a lot with a gooseneck trailer, but I've towed enough to wear off the chrome on the factory gooseneck ball. My brother bought a new Power Stroke truck that quiafied for the Lemon Law Buyback due to reliability issues. After Ford bought his diesel Ford back, he and I moved to gas powered trucks, and we never looked back. There is a very small movement of people moving out a diesel pickups into gas powered ones due to their better reliability, longevity, easy maintenance, and the cheaper cost of ownership.

 

Those of you with 4.30's and stock tires...what RPM's are you running at 70-75mph, empty, on the highway?

I'm 98% certain I want 4.30's. I rarely drive more than a few miles on the interstate a year...but the occasional 1,000mi round trip to NY is not out of the question. 95% of my driving is 35-55mph roads here in the Appalachian mountains. I also have a 10k equipment trailer I tow about once a month or so.

 

Between 1980-2150 rpm at 70 depending on which wheel and tire package you order.

 

I have a 2016 with 4.30 rears and 265-17" tires. Just back from first long trip. With cruise set at 70 it was turning 2100 rpm.

 

265's? Are they stock tires? I thought 245/75 was the only option for 17" wheels. What kind of mileage did you average and what kind of terrain?

Also, check your speedo with gps, my speedo was a few mph slow with the stock 245/75r17's. I bet you will be right at 2150rpm if you go by gps 70mph.

1980 rpm would be if you had factory 20" tires.

 

You can either get factory 245/75-17 or 265/70-17. Both have essentially the same tire circumference; close enough that the speedo does not have to be changed.
The diameter of the 245/75 is 31.5", whereas the 265/70 is31.6". That is only a .3% difference. Not 3%, but 0.3%. In essence, in a mile of travel, the smaller tire will only go around 2 more revolutions in the entire mile.

Your tires will see more change in the wear over their lifetime than that of the two choices above.