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C6 Auto Swap - Flywheel & Separator Plate

Vehicle: 1966 F-100
Engine: 351 Windsor from 1971 Torino
Trans: C6 Auto Trans from Monster Transmission

I have removed the 351 Windsor from my truck as well as the T18 4 speed manual trans. However, while gathering parts for this swap I overlooked the separator plate for the C6 auto transmission. I have the manual plate but from what I read this will not work with the auto transmission.

Where is the best place to find the separator plate for my 351 Windsor / C6 auto trans?

Next, the flywheel I am trying to use is a 28oz externally balanced 164 tooth flexplate. The issue I am having is that the holes on the flywheel never seem to fully line up with the holes on the crank. I bought the flywheel based on what the engine was from which was the 71 Torino. I can get all 6 bolts started but then the flywheel won't push back onto the crank. It is as if the bolts are causing a bind. Below is the flywheel I purchased.

Pioneer/Flywheel - Automatic Transmission FRA-205 at AutoZone.com

Anybody else ever have an issue like this or could the flywheel be wrong or possibly machined wrong?

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Flexplate = Automatic Transmission
Flywheel = Manual Transmission


It does sound like the flexplate might be machined incorrectly. If it's made for a 351W but doesn't exactly fit a 351W - what else could it be?


This product is a fit for your:
1971 Ford Torino 5.8L 2BL 8cyl
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Part Number: FRA-205




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I would note that it appears the 351W (Windsor) or 351C (Cleveland) engines were both available in the 1971 Ford Torino.


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Have you rotated the flex plate one bolt position and tried it? The bolts are not equally spaced, and you have to have the flex or flywheel in one position only to bolt up. You may have to try all six to get it right.
 
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Originally Posted by 85e150six4mtod
Have you rotated the flex plate one bolt position and tried it? The bolts are not equally spaced, and you have to have the flex or flywheel in one position only to bolt up. You may have to try all six to get it right.


Good point for consideration. It always takes me six tries to get it right. Lol. Luckily the flexplate should be a lot lighter than the flywheel so he could spin it in circles until the holes line up.


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Thanks for the info guys. I have always used the term flywheel as the general term whether manual or automatic. Just a force of habit I guess.

Thank goodness for the flexplate being lighter since the flywheel I took off was a boat anchor. As for the flexplate, I have rotated it many times and it does get to one point where it seems all of the holes line up.

However, one or two holes are just a hair off but it is in the position where they line up the best. Maybe the bolts I am using are causing it to bind. I will keep working on it and see since if I can get it since this is the correct flexplate.

Any ideas on a good place to find the separator plate for the C6 auto? I can't seem to locate one locally.

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1971 Torino available with 302 - 351C - 351W - 400 - 429 // 302/351W have 6 valve cover bolts per side, 351C/400 have 8 valve bolts per side.

Fairlane/Torino: Parts catalog symbol = B // A = LTD / F = Mustang / G = Granada / P = Maverick / S = T-Bird / U = Bronco

D2TZ-7007-A (replaced D0AZ-7007-A .. Engine rear plate-same C4/C6 FMX (see car parts catalog apps) / Also same: 1969/79 F100/150 & Econoline 240/300/302 & 1975/79 E100/350 351W
 
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Thanks for the information Bill. You are always a huge help.

I do have a member here who has a separator plate available but it is from a 1980 Mercury Monarch. I believe these cars did have a C4 trans and the plate looks like the plates with the part number you provided.

Does a separator plate from a 1980 Mercury Monarch work as well? I just want to make sure before I buy.

Thanks again,
Mike
 
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Originally Posted by BushyTea

I do have a member here who has a separator plate available but it is from a 1980 Mercury Monarch. I believe these cars did have a C4 trans and the plate looks like the plates with the part number you provided.

Does a separator plate from a 1980 Mercury Monarch work as well? I just want to make sure before I buy.
1979/80 Granada/Monarch is not the same (D8BZ-7007-A 200 I-6 & E8TZ-7007-A 255/302).

No other 1980 or later car uses the correct plate.

Here are the 1973/79 Ford Passenger Car Parts Catalog applications for D2TZ-7007-A

A = LTD / B = Torino/Ranchero/LTD II (not an LTD!) / F = Mustang / G = Granada / P = 1977 Maverick - 1978 Fairmont / S = Thunderbird / U = Bronco.
 
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Well, possibly a change in parts needed due to new information.

Engine: 302 instead of 351W
Trans: C6 Auto

I was told the motor was a 351W when it was rebuilt many years ago when my parents owned the truck. However, after further investigation and some issues with flexplate fitment I have now found out that the motor is a 302. I am not 100% sure on going with the 302 now but in case what differences am I looking at for the flywheel & spacer plate?

I believe from my research this means a totally different flexplate. Possibly a smaller O.D. 157 tooth flexplate? Also does the same spacer plate D2TZ-7007-A work for this application?

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302 not available with C6 in F100/150 until 1978, not available in Passenger Cars until 1979.

D1ZZ-6375-A .. C6 Flexplate-164T / Obsolete

1971/73 Fairlane/Torino/Mustang/Cougar 351C 2V/4V (except 351C 4V Cobra Jet) & 351W 2V / 1974 Torino/Cougar 351C 2V & 351W 2V

1975/80 Econoline 351W / 1978/80 F100/150 302 / 1979/80 302 Passenger Cars / 1981 Econoline 351W except CA / 1982/91 F150/350, Bronco & Econoline 351W
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
302 not available with C6 in F100/150 until 1978, not available in Passenger Cars until 1979.

D1ZZ-6375-A .. C6 Flexplate-164T / Obsolete

1971/73 Fairlane/Torino/Mustang/Cougar 351C 2V/4V (except 351C 4V Cobra Jet) & 351W 2V / 1974 Torino/Cougar 351C 2V & 351W 2V

1975/80 Econoline 351W / 1978/80 F100/150 302 / 1979/80 302 Passenger Cars / 1981 Econoline 351W except CA / 1982/91 F150/350, Bronco & Econoline 351W
Thanks Bill. You have been a huge help for me when trying to piece together this mix match of parts this truck came with.

Is the spacer plate the same part # D2TZ-7007-A?

Thanks again,
Mike
 
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Does anyone else know if the spacer plate will still be the same part # D2T2-7007-A for the 302/C6? I believe it is but I want to make sure before I torque down the flexplate bolts for good.

Thanks again for everyone's help. This community is a life saver.
 
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I have been searching and looking through the part numbers that Bill provided above and it looks like the part # could be D90Z-7007-A. However, the part number D2T2-7007-A shows that it will work with a 240, 300, 302, 351W with A/T.

I just want to confirm before painting in case I need to return the plate that I currently have.

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Anybody know if this spacer works?
 
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