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Old Aug 30, 2014 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CountryBumkin
Set the idle speed with the truck in gear.
There may be a dashpot on the carb (either vacuum and/or electric) which is used to increase idle speed when AC is on and also keeps throttle blades from closing too fast when you close throttle quickly to keep engine from stalling. Do you see anything like that at the base of the carb (front, throttle cable side)?

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I think this should answer that question. Is the dash pot the brass colored piece on the left?
 
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Old Aug 30, 2014 | 02:43 PM
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I think this should answer that question. Is the dash pot the brass colored piece on the left?
No. It's the half-brass half-plastic thing in the lower right corner (half cut off in the photo). See the photo link in my earlier post.

Regarding your question about the vacuum advance affecting idle - it should not. The vacuum advance comes from ported vacuum so it has no vacuum at idle. There is only vacuum when the throttle open enough (maybe 10% open) to uncover the vacuum "port" in the carburetor venturi.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2014 | 02:50 PM
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"That brass thing" is the choke vacuum pull off.
Is that what you meant by choke valve?
It makes a lot of sense that it will not idle without that hooked up.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2014 | 03:17 PM
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For some reason its not letting me post any more pictures from the truck. Below is the album with descriptions that I created.

1983 F150 initial vacuum setup. by Twotall | Ford-Trucks
I couldn't make out much from your photos. I think I got a case of snow blindness looking at a couple. Did you shot these with a cell phone?

If you have specific vacuum lines you are asking about, take a picture of the line (or nipple it connects to) and maybe we can help you figure out what is going on. I couldn't see any lines missing (except on Air Cleaner). Are there others?
 
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Old Aug 30, 2014 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CountryBumkin
I couldn't make out much from your photos. I think I got a case of snow blindness looking at a couple. Did you shot these with a cell phone?

If you have specific vacuum lines you are asking about, take a picture of the line (or nipple it connects to) and maybe we can help you figure out what is going on. I couldn't see any lines missing (except on Air Cleaner). Are there others?
I did take them with a cell right after I got home (10pm or later that night.) I can try to set a more coherent system of showing how its set up a little later tonight.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2014 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
"That brass thing" is the choke vacuum pull off.
Is that what you meant by choke valve?
It makes a lot of sense that it will not idle without that hooked up.
That was what I was talking about, I hooked that up, as well as the the port above and behind it. The choke vacuum pull off I hooked to a solenoid that was "necked down" before (apparently an old carb had a smaller attachment?) so I set it back to the larger vacuum hose and attached it there. The vacuum port above it I hooked to the side of the breather where I have the smaller vent capped in the photos. It starts and runs now, and I can get it down the road. But when I initially step on the gas there is a lag and it almost stalls out still. Ideas?
 
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There are a couple of weird things going on here (as far as I can tell from the photos).

First, I wonder if this is the correct carb because it doesn't have the fuel bowl vent. I see you have the carbon canister bowl vent line (but what is it connected to?). Number "1".



This appears to be the carbon canister vent line. What did you connect it to? is it just laying there (unconnected) in the photo, or does it transition to the smaller hose?



The choke has a "hot air passage" (it draws hot air from around exhaust manifold to aid in heating choke element for faster pull-off). The hose you have connected should be going to the exhaust manifold heat riser fitting.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2014 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Twotall
*It starts and runs now, and I can get it down the road. But when I initially step on the gas there is a lag and it almost stalls out still. Ideas?
Is the accelerator pump connected?
What is the arm gap set to?
If looking down the bore of the carb, can you see streams of fuel when you work the throttle linkage?
Most Fords are set up for manifold vacuum to the advance.
Using ported vacuum may require major tuning of the distributor.
 
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Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
Most Fords are set up for manifold vacuum to the advance.
Using ported vacuum may require major tuning of the distributor.
This is the first of heard of this for the truck years in this forum. Not to doubt your information.

I looked up the ignition system (distributor advance) in my factory service manual, and in the "general description" it only says that the vacuum advance (ignition timing) is increased as vacuum increases and no advance occurs at idle or during acceleration.
There is also a dual diaphragm (advance unit) on some models where the back diaphragm is connected to "manifold" vacuum but it is used to retard the timing under high vacuum conditions.
 
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I thought dual diaphgram was for point ignitions?
I can clearly see in my DSII vacuum routing diagram that advance is connnected to (red) manifold vacuum.
 
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I have not personally seen a dual diaphragm unit used on any 80-86 trucks, but it is covered in the 82 service manual for the Dura-Spark II systems.
 
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heat riser fitting

Would this fitting be on top of the passenger header? I've looked elsewhere but from what I can tell looking at the diagrams after a Google search of that term, the only heat riser fitting I find is attached there. But there was some talk of there being other parts with this name.

I really appreciate all the input!
 
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current photo.

Originally Posted by CountryBumkin
There are a couple of weird things going on here (as far as I can tell from the photos).

First, I wonder if this is the correct carb because it doesn't have the fuel bowl vent. I see you have the carbon canister bowl vent line (but what is it connected to?). Number "1".



This appears to be the carbon canister vent line. What did you connect it to? is it just laying there (unconnected) in the photo, or does it transition to the smaller hose?



The choke has a "hot air passage" (it draws hot air from around exhaust manifold to aid in heating choke element for faster pull-off). The hose you have connected should be going to the exhaust manifold heat riser fitting.
The second photo where you talk about the heat riser is how the carb is currently connected. With a cap on the upper fitting. The second one was an older picture. But within it you can see where I'm thinking the heat riser would be, the fitting on the headcover clear to the rear
 
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 10:35 AM
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I've made a few changes... but now the reman starter I bought is throwing me fits... I'll come back to this thread and post some updated pics once I get it starting again. (Starter question in another thread.) Thanks again for the help!
 
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