Water pump replacement on a '92 460 - a few questions - Page 3 - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums



1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 1987 - 1996 Ford F-150, F-250, F-350 and larger pickups - including the 1997 heavy-duty F250/F350+ trucks

Water pump replacement on a '92 460 - a few questions

Reply
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #31  
Old 08-18-2014, 03:02 PM
SoCalAngler's Avatar
SoCalAngler SoCalAngler is offline
Elder User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 614
SoCalAngler is starting off with a positive reputation.
I would assume Ford added the cooler as it was concerned with oil heating issiues. If engineered for cooling, what happens when cooler is removed? Temps would go up I would assume. How much? Perhaps, synthetic oil would make up for the removed cooler?
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 08-18-2014, 03:18 PM
ArdWrknTrk ArdWrknTrk is online now
pedant
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: EXTREME southwest CT
Posts: 23,425
ArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputation
NONE of these trucks came with that cooler until '91(?)
Do they work?
How well do they work?
I don't know.
If you worry install an oil temp gauge.

I do know I have hauled a 24' trailer to Florida doing 80+ mph from the NC state line in mid summer.
Like I said, I wouldn't do anything about it until it fails.

Many people just bypass them using an earlier lower radiator hose.
No coolant = no corrosion
Or they just get the factory angle adapter like came on my '87.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 08-18-2014, 03:55 PM
SoCalAngler's Avatar
SoCalAngler SoCalAngler is offline
Elder User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 614
SoCalAngler is starting off with a positive reputation.
I wonder what happened in 1991 to bring about the added cooler?

If it bothers me enough, I'll add the Ford racing adapater shown here.....


http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fm...view/make/ford
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 08-18-2014, 04:17 PM
krooser's Avatar
krooser krooser is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Central Wisconsin
Posts: 850
krooser is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
My '88 has a cooler...
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 08-18-2014, 08:02 PM
eakermeld's Avatar
eakermeld eakermeld is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Central,MO
Posts: 2,154
eakermeld is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.eakermeld is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
My 89 has the factory external engine oil cooler in front of the rad. You can add one of these to your truck real easy and new aftermarket ones are not that expensive. It will make your a/c suck at idle because of the extra heat coming off of it and passing thru the condenser. I'm going to move mine somewhere else and put an electric fan on it (winter project! ). If you have ever wanted to do a remote mount filter you can incorporate the cooler into the plumbing at the same time.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 08-19-2014, 02:52 PM
SoCalAngler's Avatar
SoCalAngler SoCalAngler is offline
Elder User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 614
SoCalAngler is starting off with a positive reputation.
with the added trans cooler I plan on adding to front of radiator, unfortunately, there will not be enough real estate for an engine oil cooler in that area
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 08-19-2014, 03:43 PM
ArdWrknTrk ArdWrknTrk is online now
pedant
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: EXTREME southwest CT
Posts: 23,425
ArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputation
Why not put it behind?
How could that be any hotter than the oil to water cooler you have now?

My fan sits st least 3" bsck in the shroud.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 08-19-2014, 09:20 PM
eakermeld's Avatar
eakermeld eakermeld is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Central,MO
Posts: 2,154
eakermeld is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.eakermeld is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
That's a good idea. Oil runs hotter than coolant so like you said it would be pretty much like the "heat exchanger" that's on it now.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 08-19-2014, 10:15 PM
westcoasting westcoasting is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 282
westcoasting is starting off with a positive reputation.
I have been looking at that lower hose to the oil cooler also and am convinced the remote mount filter is a good idea and trash the oem cooler. I like the idea of a new oil cooler plumbed in at the same time, probably work a lot better than the factory one. All i mainly do with my truck is tow my trailer so cooling is the main priority.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 08-19-2014, 10:20 PM
SSBB SSBB is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Oak Harbor
Posts: 35
SSBB is starting off with a positive reputation.
I just added a Trans cooler to the front of my AC Condenser using rubber shims to keep it off of it just enough and I plan on doing this same method with the oil cooler when the time comes. I bought mine for $50 each. Not such a bad deal, and with running it up that far you also get added Volume that will increase its efficiency in cooling (if you are that worried about it. I am going to mount them both at the top portion of the Condenser that way the it give the coolant time to cool by the time it goes thru the lower hose. Just my .02
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 08-19-2014, 10:21 PM
ArdWrknTrk ArdWrknTrk is online now
pedant
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: EXTREME southwest CT
Posts: 23,425
ArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputationArdWrknTrk has a superb reputation
A thermostatic bypass would be good in some climates.

You want the oil to get up to operating temp as quick as possible.

Having a cooler can never hurt when you need it.
Having one that fails can be disastrous.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 08-20-2014, 10:17 PM
SoCalAngler's Avatar
SoCalAngler SoCalAngler is offline
Elder User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 614
SoCalAngler is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk View Post
Why not put it behind?
How could that be any hotter than the oil to water cooler you have now?

My fan sits st least 3" back in the shroud.
Am I understanding your oil cooler to be mounted between radiator and fan? It would require the cooler to be small enough to sit inside the diameter (round portion) of the fan shroud, correct? The shroud is, what, maybe 4" deep at the circular area? Is the cooler mounted against radiator or just off of it?
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 08-21-2014, 10:54 AM
SoCalAngler's Avatar
SoCalAngler SoCalAngler is offline
Elder User
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 614
SoCalAngler is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by trhatha View Post
After thinking about this, I can;t imagine having to take the timing cover off and replace related gaskets, including oil pan seal....just to replace water pump? Am I correct?
Thats was my question earlier in this thread. Someone stated that if the timing cover is disturbed, it can leak after a water pump replacement.

This is why I decided to leave my water pump alone (I even have a new one ready to go) since it is not leaking.

I have no real experience with the removal of the water pump and alum backing plate behind it (Timing chain cover) so I don't know all that is involved with gaskets, rubber oil seals, and lowering of oil pan to replace rubber seal
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 08-21-2014, 11:34 AM
Nothing Special's Avatar
Nothing Special Nothing Special is online now
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Roseville, MN
Posts: 3,534
Nothing Special has a great reputation on FTE.Nothing Special has a great reputation on FTE.Nothing Special has a great reputation on FTE.Nothing Special has a great reputation on FTE.Nothing Special has a great reputation on FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by trhatha View Post
After thinking about this, I can;t imagine having to take the timing cover off and replace related gaskets, including oil pan seal....just to replace water pump? Am I correct?
You do not need to take off the timing cover to change the water pump, unless...

As described earlier, it's not uncommon for water pump bolts, which go through the timing cover into the block, to be stuck in the timing cover, even to the point where they break off. If / when that happens you usually need to take the timing cover off to get the broken bolts out.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 08-21-2014, 08:46 PM
eakermeld's Avatar
eakermeld eakermeld is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Central,MO
Posts: 2,154
eakermeld is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.eakermeld is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalAngler View Post
Am I understanding your oil cooler to be mounted between radiator and fan? It would require the cooler to be small enough to sit inside the diameter (round portion) of the fan shroud, correct? The shroud is, what, maybe 4" deep at the circular area? Is the cooler mounted against radiator or just off of it?
I needs to be just off the rad a little regardless of whether it's in the front of or on the back of the rad by using rubber spacers to avoid contact between the two. They make mounting kits that are plastic pieces that go between the fins and include rubber pads and fastening devices. They are made primarily for electric fans, but are strong enough for most coolers.
Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
460 water pump replacement and timing cover? M3maximation 1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 6 01-17-2015 08:26 PM
Question about front cover plate. coolant leaking from it. ollirrap 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 25 01-01-2015 08:31 PM
Oil coming from timing chain cover dudef150 1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 4 11-04-2014 12:45 AM
4.9 L 1987 F 150 crank shaft seal replacement bigb609 Ford Inline Six, 200, 250, 4.9L / 300 9 11-21-2011 05:35 AM
Engine buildup plan with questions 76 F150 Ranger XLT FE & FT Big Block V8 (332, 352, 360, 390, 406, 410, 427, 428) 15 05-04-2004 06:22 AM


Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums >

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:40 PM.