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Civilizations inevitably collapse as surplus food production and stable government allow more and more stupid/weak people to reproduce. Our greatest period of evolution was probably during the pre-historic period when the majority of humans would have died before reaching reproduction.
Nowadays we have welfare programs that pay drug addicts and other losers to have children. And we are probably in a period of devolution as we allow ourselves to be replaced by the children of imbeciles and criminals.
Nowadays we have welfare programs that pay drug addicts and other losers to have children. And we are probably in a period of devolution as we allow ourselves to be replaced by the children of imbeciles and criminals.
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Civilizations inevitably collapse as surplus food production and stable government allow more and more stupid/weak people to reproduce. Our greatest period of evolution was probably during the pre-historic period when the majority of humans would have died before reaching reproduction.
Nowadays we have welfare programs that pay drug addicts and other losers to have children. And we are probably in a period of devolution as we allow ourselves to be replaced by the children of imbeciles and criminals.
Nowadays we have welfare programs that pay drug addicts and other losers to have children. And we are probably in a period of devolution as we allow ourselves to be replaced by the children of imbeciles and criminals.
In our respective nations - the Government reps we have are decided by majority vote. If the majority of the population are such as above - what on earth did you THINK the established Government would be like?
The greatest menace to Democratic Republics in this day and age is the average level of intelligence of their overall populace, and frankly....
It seems to me we have considerably more (F)ing STUPID people than ever before in all of recorded history.
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As in "SOMEONE ELSE" or "SOMETHING ELSE" will save me from my own foolishness?
~That IS the root issue isn't it?
It matters little if it is thought to be the government or some religion - people who look for other than themselves to make something of themselves are JUST PLAIN WEAK!
What has happened to "SELF RELIANCE" in this day and age?
Those who have it will do well, those who do NOT will always suck off of those around them, and should be avoided at all cost!
I have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone who refuses to stand on their own two feet and make of themselves what they should.
I similarly regard those who foolishly allow themselves to be the support of "NEVER DO WELLS" as idiots, who should have known better.
THE FOOKING BIBLE ITSELF STATES:
"Set not out your best before DOGS! For they will only WHINE and ask for more..."
DOESN'T IT???
PS: Yes, I am Baaaaack - good to see you too. How you been, Brucie?
*Could it be that in this day and age, people fail to be weaned off from their PARENTS in this country? Can they truly see no further than Mom and Dad supporting them forever? Have they forgotten that one day they were expected to GROW UP - and become responsible for their own actions?
Blech...
I can see that will not be a well recieved notion...
~That IS the root issue isn't it?
It matters little if it is thought to be the government or some religion - people who look for other than themselves to make something of themselves are JUST PLAIN WEAK!
What has happened to "SELF RELIANCE" in this day and age?
Those who have it will do well, those who do NOT will always suck off of those around them, and should be avoided at all cost!
I have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone who refuses to stand on their own two feet and make of themselves what they should.
I similarly regard those who foolishly allow themselves to be the support of "NEVER DO WELLS" as idiots, who should have known better.
THE FOOKING BIBLE ITSELF STATES:
"Set not out your best before DOGS! For they will only WHINE and ask for more..."
DOESN'T IT???
PS: Yes, I am Baaaaack - good to see you too. How you been, Brucie?
*Could it be that in this day and age, people fail to be weaned off from their PARENTS in this country? Can they truly see no further than Mom and Dad supporting them forever? Have they forgotten that one day they were expected to GROW UP - and become responsible for their own actions?
Blech...
I can see that will not be a well recieved notion...
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I've got a college education, own my own home, two paid for trucks, a motorcycle, wife and kids, bills paid on time, solid job, etc.
Lumping religious people into a class of weak minds is an obtusely worded statement.
I can see this thread hitting a slippery slope...............
As for the fire suppression requirements in homes, I'd rather see that precedent be forced upon the multi dwelling apartment/condo/townhouse buildings first. I find it annoying and sad to see in the news often how many families loose their dwelling due to a neighbors accidental fire spreading.
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Not a personal knock, but a general observation. People teaching their kids that the bible is literally a history book. They tell them that science is wrong. Those kids grow up and vote for candidates who believe that crap and deny science. Bad for the country and bad for the world.
No religion or politics allowed except in the club but I thought you needed an answer.
No religion or politics allowed except in the club but I thought you needed an answer.
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Hi,
I've been reading lately about more devices that will be required for 'safety's ' sake.
Here's the last couple
1. (Minnesota) Fire sprinklers in existing homes -- starts 2016
2. (National) Arc suppressant outlets whenever an outlet is replaced -- schedule not clear
3. Backup cams in All 'light' (under 10K I think) vehicles -- 2018
And there are the existing things like stability control that will be a big part of the vehicle population soon
My point is that the number of required safety gadgets keeps increasing, and I'm fairly sure that's not a great idea.
- more stuff to fail
- unforseen side effects -- you never find everything in lab tests
- expense that may not be justified. A lot of the discussion about these things is in pretty closed circles until they're suddenly mandatory. Often I wonder about the 'proof ' that they're needed or effective.
I'm all for safety, but like a lot of things, it's a balance. I'm not ready to be bubble wrapped quite yet.
hj
I've been reading lately about more devices that will be required for 'safety's ' sake.
Here's the last couple
1. (Minnesota) Fire sprinklers in existing homes -- starts 2016
2. (National) Arc suppressant outlets whenever an outlet is replaced -- schedule not clear
3. Backup cams in All 'light' (under 10K I think) vehicles -- 2018
And there are the existing things like stability control that will be a big part of the vehicle population soon
My point is that the number of required safety gadgets keeps increasing, and I'm fairly sure that's not a great idea.
- more stuff to fail
- unforseen side effects -- you never find everything in lab tests
- expense that may not be justified. A lot of the discussion about these things is in pretty closed circles until they're suddenly mandatory. Often I wonder about the 'proof ' that they're needed or effective.
I'm all for safety, but like a lot of things, it's a balance. I'm not ready to be bubble wrapped quite yet.
hj
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I have to say that I quite like a lot of these things, some more than others of course. But I remember cars that had lights, a horn, ignition, starter, batter and a heater blower and that pretty much comprised the whole electrical system on a car. Now electrical systems and components make up MORE than half the price of the typical new vehicle. That rubs me wrong.
And to replace them costs even more......
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Civilizations inevitably collapse as surplus food production and stable government allow more and more stupid/weak people to reproduce.
Historic question, not political. The burden of proof of an assertion of fact is on those making the assertion. Example below:
onus probandi legal definition of onus probandi. onus probandi synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.
2. It is a general rule, that the party who alleges the affirmative of any proposition shall prove it.
2. It is a general rule, that the party who alleges the affirmative of any proposition shall prove it.
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Citation needed. Where is evidence documented that food and stable government begat the collapse of a civilization as a result of the reproduction of the weak/stupid? Keep in mind correlation is not causation.
Historic question, not political. The burden of proof of an assertion of fact is on those making the assertion. Example below:
Historic question, not political. The burden of proof of an assertion of fact is on those making the assertion. Example below:
Cargo Master
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From: Concord, CA
Considering the way they are designing cars today I can understand why. Windows are getting shorter all around. Pillars, front and back are creating great blind spots. The rear end of cars are getting taller. My 2004 Focus has better views out the side than the new ones. My 65 F100 has a better view out the back and I don't understand why today's truck beds are set so much higher than say my 65. When in my Cougar, Mustang, Park Lane and Polara, I can actually see all fours corners.
I hate restricted views so much that I have no intention of buying a new car for the last 25 years of my life. Will be picking up one or maybe two older cars for storage for those years. I'm done with new cars as I prefer visibility and the KISS principle when it comes to electronics in my cars.
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I know what you mean Mike. I had a '92 Cherokee and that had great visibility. I also, in another life, had a 72 Volvo wagon. Except for having unnoticeable acceleration, it was great for visibility.
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The evidence is all around you isn't it?
Media market dramatic anecdotes, but infotainers getting rich while bemoaning the state of whatever is not data.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Emotion and drama are not data.
Ideology is not data.
The fact modern communication makes it convenient to instantly communicate select instances of human depravity worldwide is not data.
Americans live in the richest country in the world. There is no evidence for social collapse. Disruptive change is not collapse. The Great Depression didn't collapse US society and no conditions remotely like it obtain now.
Slow recovery relative to previous Recessions is not collapse. (Recessions are normal, there will be more, so it is wise to spend the time between them getting ready.)
World GDP - IndexQ.org
U.S. Economy: Solid Momentum Entering 2014 [SPDR Gold Trust (ETF), SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust, ProShares Short S&P500 (ETF), iShares Gold Trust(ETF), United States Oil Fund LP (ETF), CurrencyShares Euro Trust, ProShares UltraShort S&P500 (ETF)] - Seeking
The US is likely to become the top oil producer. Much of that will be sold overseas as the market is global, but it's good for the economy and will buy decades for alternative tech to take some of the load off petroleum.
U.S. to Be Top Oil Producer by 2015 on Shale, IEA Says - Bloomberg
Low pregnancy and low abortion rates:
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Some interesting data from the G7:
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