Any Internet Metallurgy Experts Here?
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Any Internet Metallurgy Experts Here?
Been brainstorming some ideas for my next (Ok one of many many next projects) any way this would involve some machining and then welding on or to a rear axle hub assembly/assemblies , like the one pictured below.
Anyone know if those hubs are cast steel or malleable iron casting/ or other? I don’t have these hubs in my possession but can if I need them, just didn’t want to pick them up yet if I was wasting my time.
Thanks for any idea’s and your thoughts on this/ I have been told welding steel plate etc to cast steel should be just fine, may just need to preheat the material?
Anyone know if those hubs are cast steel or malleable iron casting/ or other? I don’t have these hubs in my possession but can if I need them, just didn’t want to pick them up yet if I was wasting my time.
Thanks for any idea’s and your thoughts on this/ I have been told welding steel plate etc to cast steel should be just fine, may just need to preheat the material?
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What are you planning? The drums sure look like a high quality machined casting to me. Cast iron can be welded if you know what you are doing. Easier to do is brazing, but not as strong. If machining is involved you might be able to machine on the hub and make up mating parts so the hub doesn't need welding.
You can "spark test" most iron parts to get a rough idea of the type of material you are dealing with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_testing
You can "spark test" most iron parts to get a rough idea of the type of material you are dealing with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_testing
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Im hoping that its a high grade steel casting. I'm hoping I can get an 8 lug hub (F-2 F-3) and a 5 lug hub (F-4--F-6) and machine them down and add (weld) a spacer tube inbetween to create an wheel adapter/spacer for my f3 MH to get the big 5 lug wheels on the back.
I know I can just have something fabricated from scratch or made from billet possibly but was just thinking of other possibilties and or possible $savings ?
here are pictures that Stu had posted of his adapters.
after looking at the pictures again maybe it would just be easier to make them with the flat plate and weld em up. however if this wasn't as much machining maybe it could save time if I had the hubs on hand?
I know I can just have something fabricated from scratch or made from billet possibly but was just thinking of other possibilties and or possible $savings ?
here are pictures that Stu had posted of his adapters.
after looking at the pictures again maybe it would just be easier to make them with the flat plate and weld em up. however if this wasn't as much machining maybe it could save time if I had the hubs on hand?
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Build them and true them up by bolting them onto your rear axle and use an angle grinder clamped into a fixture to face them off. Your truck is a 4 speed lathe. I've done a couple projects that way. It really works, and costs nothing. Way more fun than writing a check to a machine shop. Tires, particularly large bias ply truck tires arent even close to round, so why get so hung up on the metal part? I did 70 mph for a couple hours on interstate 5 on Tuesday in my '59 tonner with front hub adapters made pretty much that way. It has been hauling loads for 2 years now. What is the top speed of your M-H?. What I'm getting at is really like your idea.
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If you got a set of hubs from a 42-47 one ton axle with that bolt pattern would you still need spacers to get the wheels over the drums?
I have a complete 47 1 ton axle with the hubs that have the odd 5 lug bolt pattern. I'd gladly trade the hubs for an equal condition set of 8 lug hubs that would fit my truck.
I have a complete 47 1 ton axle with the hubs that have the odd 5 lug bolt pattern. I'd gladly trade the hubs for an equal condition set of 8 lug hubs that would fit my truck.
#10
If you got a set of hubs from a 42-47 one ton axle with that bolt pattern would you still need spacers to get the wheels over the drums?
I have a complete 47 1 ton axle with the hubs that have the odd 5 lug bolt pattern. I'd gladly trade the hubs for an equal condition set of 8 lug hubs that would fit my truck.
I have a complete 47 1 ton axle with the hubs that have the odd 5 lug bolt pattern. I'd gladly trade the hubs for an equal condition set of 8 lug hubs that would fit my truck.
only thing I'm not sure on with this scenario would be wheel offset or the track line for the rear tires if it would match up with the front track ? Stu probably knows these dimensons right off the top of his head, I would need to go measure the width of the axles I guess.
the hubs that are pictured above are waiting at a junk yard for $25 , I figured I could use any 8 lug hub but found one that looked older than the rest so not even 100% sure what it had come out of.
I spent 45 minutes pulling them off then realized that my idea may have been flawed so changed my mind and left them siting there.
I plan on going back to get them next week so I can determine with a local machinist if they are weldable doing what I want to do. still looking for a set of the larger 5 lug hubs. (cant tell you how many of those I've probably scrapped )
I think I know where some 48-50 F-2 f-3 axles are if I can catch up with the fellow I can probably come up with a set of those hubs if your still looking down the road a bit.
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The bolt pattern of a '47 and earlier tonner is 5 lug x 6 7/8" circle. Josh needs 5 x 8" which the F-4/5/6 or earlier 1.5 ton drums would provide. Gary's point is well made. Top speed would be maybe 45, and old 17" or even 19.5" bias ply traction tires won't be very well balanced or give a comfortable ride. Stu
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The bolt pattern of a '47 and earlier tonner is 5 lug x 6 7/8" circle. Josh needs 5 x 8" which the F-4/5/6 or earlier 1.5 ton drums would provide. Gary's point is well made. Top speed would be maybe 45, and old 17" or even 19.5" bias ply traction tires won't be very well balanced or give a comfortable ride. Stu
I'm sure I can scare up a set of f-5 f-6 rear hubs around here, even if it requires buying a complete truck!!! heaven forbid.
I know where too many of these beasts are so I need to exorcise some restraint...
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You can weld cast Iron to cast steel or even steel of any carbon content easily with Nickel rod. I do it all the time at work on old Indian motorcycle frames. Most likely, those hubs are cast steel. If they are, 7018 rod and a preheat would be the way I would go. But if they are cast iron, I'd definitely go with a Nickel rod. Nickel 99 is a good all around rod for welding cast iron to most any ferrous metal.
Spark or drill testing will tell you whether it is Iron or Steel.
Here's a video that will explain it faster than I could. He's a bit annoying, but not too far off the mark on most of his assertions.
Spark or drill testing will tell you whether it is Iron or Steel.
Here's a video that will explain it faster than I could. He's a bit annoying, but not too far off the mark on most of his assertions.
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