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Guys was the vacuum side of the fuel pump available on these year trucks.
I have had Y-Blocks with them and they really help out the wipers.
 
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The '52 Salesman's Handbook shows it as an option. Both of my '52s are M-Hs, and are base 5 Stars. The 215 will be upgraded to 5 Star Extra, but will still have the vacuum wipers. Trying to make certain that's a real factory configuration. Stu
Beautiful, Stu! My '52 Five Star Extra has vacuum wipers.
 
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Thanks Owen, that's a strong indicator that they were separate options. I know your M-H is an untouched original. I wonder if it was a M-H general practice to equip their conversions with the vac wipers. Stu
 
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My '52 salesman's book shows dual wipers as standard for all models, then under the options list is says 'positive action windshield wipers' (which I take to mean the vacuum fuel pump) available for V8's, and electric wipers optional for 6 cylinder only. The two F6's I parted out (one 51 and one 52) both had the 254 flat 6 and both had electric wipers.
 
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I can't think of any reason for V8's not to be optioned with electric wipers? Mine came to me with electrics, and I know of half a dozen other V8's with them right offhand. Dealer retrofit? May never know...

My understanding from the HAMB and the Barn has been that California mandated something beyond "regular" vacuum wipers for some or all vehicles in the late '40's, so there was a dual-diaphragm fuel pump made for those cars/trucks. I can find no reference anywhere in the manuals to them, no parts numbers, etc. I did get an AC fuel pump in a basket o' parts deal that had the second diaphragm, and appeared to fit a 59-series pump stand.
 
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Here's another oddball part that I suspect few of these engines still have. I have four of these engines in my shop at present and none had it. Part #EAA 17595-A, windshield wiper silencer. It's pictured in the 1/52 Chassis Catalog schematic drawing, but no 17595 grouping is listed in the text. But it is listed in the 1/54 Chassis Catalog as used on 52-54 six cylinders. In the 1964 reprint catalog the part number changes to B8A 17595-A and shows it used on 223s as well through 1956. I think I found this one at Antique Auto Parts in TX. Stu

OK, men, I am going to show my ignorance here. I drove these vehicles back when they were daily drivers and I've played with a few of them over the years but never heard of or know what this windshield wiper silencer is, how it works or what it actually does. I would suspect a check valve?
 
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Very nice work. I had a heck of a time trying to figure out what was correct for 215 car engines last year too. Keep the pictures and work coming.
 
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Ray - I'm also at a loss to know the function, but it's a correct piece for the truck so I tracked one down. I hope to hear more about it too, or figure it out when the day comes for it to do its work.

Ross/Wayne - makes me dizzy. I read that same language in the handbook and the only thing that's clear to me is that dual wipers were standard. And that wipers of any variety were not a feature of the 5 Star Extra package. Is this why I have deep old memory of Julie threads on the subject?

38coupe - I thought you might be one to share my interest in a stock build. Stu
 
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Ross/Wayne - makes me dizzy. I read that same language in the handbook and the only thing that's clear to me is that dual wipers were standard. And that wipers of any variety were not a feature of the 5 Star Extra package. Is this why I have deep old memory of Julie threads on the subject?
That's how I see it, too. The problem with Julie's opinionated (and many times incorrect) arguments are that they're permanently etched into our grey matter, and he/she will never completely go away. Ever.
 
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OK, men, I am going to show my ignorance here. I drove these vehicles back when they were daily drivers and I've played with a few of them over the years but never heard of or know what this windshield wiper silencer is, how it works or what it actually does. I would suspect a check valve?
My guess would be it's a pulsation damper, which in this case probably means just an orifice. Great idea, further reduce vacuum???

Were those used only on 6-bangers?
 
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Yes. And I'll guess for more years than my cited references cover.

Please pause while I go to the 57-63 Chassis Catalog.

Yes. B8A 17595-A is listed for F-100/600 six cylinders 1957-1960; and for P-100/500, same years, with description "used with vacuum booster brakes". Stu
 
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Stu, thats looking absolutely beautiful. You are an inspiration!
Keep up the good work. I hope someday to have something just 1/10th that nice
 
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
I can't think of any reason for V8's not to be optioned with electric wipers? Mine came to me with electrics, and I know of half a dozen other V8's with them right offhand. Dealer retrofit? May never know...

My understanding from the HAMB and the Barn has been that California mandated something beyond "regular" vacuum wipers for some or all vehicles in the late '40's, so there was a dual-diaphragm fuel pump made for those cars/trucks. I can find no reference anywhere in the manuals to them, no parts numbers, etc. I did get an AC fuel pump in a basket o' parts deal that had the second diaphragm, and appeared to fit a 59-series pump stand.
My 51 was built in the Richmond, CA plant, is a 5 Star Extra, and has electric wipers. That's all I know about it.
 
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Totally off base , but , My 53 Pontiac has Vac wipers . It has a dual action fuel pump . Top bit is a vac pump , bottom is the fuel pump .
 
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Originally Posted by Jolly Roger Joe
My 51 was built in the Richmond, CA plant, is a 5 Star Extra, and has electric wipers. That's all I know about it.
My 52 was also built in Richmond. Is not Extra and has electrical wipers. Maybe it was a plant thing or if they had extras on hand??? No one will ever know. However, in keeping with a truly stock resto, it's best to follow the print in the original literature.
 


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