Brake data for1960's Ford N or F600, etc
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Brake data for1960's Ford N or F600, etc
Here is the info you need for brake system components regarding my 1967 N600 in the hopes it may help others. Thanks to all here, especially NumberDummy and Stu for helping me get traction in my search. First, understand that while a part may be "obsolete", It's not really obsolete but most likely superseded by either another part or customers that evolved to a different part over the years and causing one to fall by the wayside.
Also understand what I think was going on with the auto companies back in the '60's. I always felt the goal was to confuse the customer to the degree they became threatened and would avoid doing their own work at home. So a brake hose might be 1/4" different from another one just to confuse things. We need to understand these things. That's just my personal opinion so play nice.
The Hydrovac for example, is obsolete for the 67 N600 but not really. There were two versions--an 11 1/2" model and a 12 3/4" model. Their only difference? Well, essentially none because they function the same but each one used a different sized master cylinder. The 11 1/2" Hydrovac fell by the wayside --became "obsolete" because they really weren't needed with the other choices available. I could get my 11 1/2" unit rebuilt for mucho dinero but why? Same with the MC.
Now, I learned this by back searching what models each one fit, checking the applications and then comparing notes. So, NAPA has the 12 3/4" Hydrovac IN STOCK and so does Amazon.
Hydrovac 12 3/4 part # is 51-8003 Price close but no core with Amazon.
The master Cylinder for the Hydrovac comes in two versions with the bore size being the only difference and then by only 1/4".
Master cyl # for 12 3/4" Hydrovac is Amazon M36127. Amazon way cheaper and appears to be exactly same part. Same number too, I think.
Brake hoses were difficult, especially the front. Again, the same or similar brake hose was often used on IH, GM, Ford, Dodge and you name it. IH was the most frequent match. You have to check applications to learn that they used the common part and what the applications were. While the Ford may then be "obsolete" the IH wasn't. Got it? Just dig deeper.
The rear brake hose for my N600 covers many Fords from the 1940's to the 1980's and both big and little trucks, 1967 was a Dorman H36959 from Amazon. Also available at NAPA for more $$.
Front hoses were near impossible because they have an exterior threaded portion to screw onto a mounting bracket. You could get around it but I figured it out. ford basically used two brake lengths on the big trucks from the 60's, etc and all models. one was, I think 20 3/4" and the other 24 1/4". Both are "obsolete", so to speak. So, after crossing the all the hose numbers with the application list and then crossing that list and looking at the dimension of the hoses, I learned a lot. The same or similar hoses were used on everything of that era. True, hoses became obsolete because the market wouldn't go to that particular auto maker's product but instead bought one for an IH, or whatever.
Anyway, the front hoses are Dorman from Amazon #H4960 and covers many models from 1940 to 1983. It's 1/2" different and fits like a glove.
Wheel cylinders were easy and the same ones seem to cover many, many trucks. You can also buy rebuild kits cheap but new ones are so reasonable I went with those.
My w/c numbers were:
Left front #37035
Right front is #37036
The rear has upper and lowers and those numbers are #37155 and #37153
That's it. Shoes were fine so lubed behind and cleaned up. Replaced all the steel lines and I can now stop on a dime and leave change. Hope the above info helps. I don't think I made any typos so if something looks funny, ask me. Also, my part numbers are for you to double-check your own work. Ford did all kinds of things and you can likely find any combination.
Also understand what I think was going on with the auto companies back in the '60's. I always felt the goal was to confuse the customer to the degree they became threatened and would avoid doing their own work at home. So a brake hose might be 1/4" different from another one just to confuse things. We need to understand these things. That's just my personal opinion so play nice.
The Hydrovac for example, is obsolete for the 67 N600 but not really. There were two versions--an 11 1/2" model and a 12 3/4" model. Their only difference? Well, essentially none because they function the same but each one used a different sized master cylinder. The 11 1/2" Hydrovac fell by the wayside --became "obsolete" because they really weren't needed with the other choices available. I could get my 11 1/2" unit rebuilt for mucho dinero but why? Same with the MC.
Now, I learned this by back searching what models each one fit, checking the applications and then comparing notes. So, NAPA has the 12 3/4" Hydrovac IN STOCK and so does Amazon.
Hydrovac 12 3/4 part # is 51-8003 Price close but no core with Amazon.
The master Cylinder for the Hydrovac comes in two versions with the bore size being the only difference and then by only 1/4".
Master cyl # for 12 3/4" Hydrovac is Amazon M36127. Amazon way cheaper and appears to be exactly same part. Same number too, I think.
Brake hoses were difficult, especially the front. Again, the same or similar brake hose was often used on IH, GM, Ford, Dodge and you name it. IH was the most frequent match. You have to check applications to learn that they used the common part and what the applications were. While the Ford may then be "obsolete" the IH wasn't. Got it? Just dig deeper.
The rear brake hose for my N600 covers many Fords from the 1940's to the 1980's and both big and little trucks, 1967 was a Dorman H36959 from Amazon. Also available at NAPA for more $$.
Front hoses were near impossible because they have an exterior threaded portion to screw onto a mounting bracket. You could get around it but I figured it out. ford basically used two brake lengths on the big trucks from the 60's, etc and all models. one was, I think 20 3/4" and the other 24 1/4". Both are "obsolete", so to speak. So, after crossing the all the hose numbers with the application list and then crossing that list and looking at the dimension of the hoses, I learned a lot. The same or similar hoses were used on everything of that era. True, hoses became obsolete because the market wouldn't go to that particular auto maker's product but instead bought one for an IH, or whatever.
Anyway, the front hoses are Dorman from Amazon #H4960 and covers many models from 1940 to 1983. It's 1/2" different and fits like a glove.
Wheel cylinders were easy and the same ones seem to cover many, many trucks. You can also buy rebuild kits cheap but new ones are so reasonable I went with those.
My w/c numbers were:
Left front #37035
Right front is #37036
The rear has upper and lowers and those numbers are #37155 and #37153
That's it. Shoes were fine so lubed behind and cleaned up. Replaced all the steel lines and I can now stop on a dime and leave change. Hope the above info helps. I don't think I made any typos so if something looks funny, ask me. Also, my part numbers are for you to double-check your own work. Ford did all kinds of things and you can likely find any combination.
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FoMoCo: If part is obsolete, it's obsolete. Or it may have been superceded by a new part number.
But, on a truck this old, the superceded part number (if there is one), most likely will also be obsolete.
Case in point, the upper radiator hose: C9TZ-8260-J (replaced C5TZ-8260-H) / Obsolete
But, on a truck this old, the superceded part number (if there is one), most likely will also be obsolete.
Case in point, the upper radiator hose: C9TZ-8260-J (replaced C5TZ-8260-H) / Obsolete
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Good to hear
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This thread just saved me a huge headache, thanks N600 for your knowledge. but now on a side note, im back working on the "ol girl" and am having troubles finding part numbers for the front drums. They have a groove in them from the linings, and are not able to be turned. I did take them to Franklin suspension parts as they are local to me, and they dang near laughed me out of the place looking for something that old.
Any help on part numbers, and availability on new or "good used" would be appreciated.
Any help on part numbers, and availability on new or "good used" would be appreciated.
#7
It has been my understanding that there are no new drums available. That said, I think someone recently found some.
JY searchs or other "barn/field find" trucks would the be cheapest source.
One guy went in with a few folks and had some made. Megabucks.
I'll search around for that one and post it if I find it.
JY searchs or other "barn/field find" trucks would the be cheapest source.
One guy went in with a few folks and had some made. Megabucks.
I'll search around for that one and post it if I find it.
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#8
This seems to dead end. I don't have time to run it down right now, but read through this regarding drums:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ake-drums.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ake-drums.html
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It has been my understanding that there are no new drums available. That said, I think someone recently found some.
JY searchs or other "barn/field find" trucks would the be cheapest source.
One guy went in with a few folks and had some made. Megabucks.
I'll search around for that one and post it if I find it.
JY searchs or other "barn/field find" trucks would the be cheapest source.
One guy went in with a few folks and had some made. Megabucks.
I'll search around for that one and post it if I find it.
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