Considering an Edge.
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$48k is nuts. I just priced a base model 2014 Edge, oxford white, with cargo package options, on Edmunds. Sticker was $29.3k. Market price after $1k rebate is $27,914, which is about where I thought it would land. I have a lot of Ford employee connections in Detroit, so I'm guessing I could get AWD and keep it under $30k. Who the heck would pay almost twice that for a bunch of optional equipment that would have NO bearing on helping you arrive at your actual destination? Is anyone saving money for retirement or emergencies? (I am already retired, and spent my life in the pension plan business, which drives my focus toward "cost per mile"...)
Good luck,
George
Good luck,
George
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$48k is nuts. I just priced a base model 2014 Edge, oxford white, with cargo package options, on Edmunds. Sticker was $29.3k. Market price after $1k rebate is $27,914, which is about where I thought it would land. I have a lot of Ford employee connections in Detroit, so I'm guessing I could get AWD and keep it under $30k. Who the heck would pay almost twice that for a bunch of optional equipment that would have NO bearing on helping you arrive at your actual destination? Is anyone saving money for retirement or emergencies? (I am already retired, and spent my life in the pension plan business, which drives my focus toward "cost per mile"...)
Good luck,
George
Good luck,
George
#20
We just traded in our 2007 Edge SEL with 85K miles and the only thing we had to replace was the battery twice and the brake boost slave.
The power was still there and it had not one rattle. We just ran out of extended warranty in October and I wasn't taking a risk.
We started out looking at the Limited and ended up with a 2013 Edge Sport with the 3.7 and 22" wheels. I gotta say I'm very impressed so far...even beyond the last one.
My brother-in-law was a Dodge DieHard and after he drove my wife's Edge he bought one for his wife.
The power was still there and it had not one rattle. We just ran out of extended warranty in October and I wasn't taking a risk.
We started out looking at the Limited and ended up with a 2013 Edge Sport with the 3.7 and 22" wheels. I gotta say I'm very impressed so far...even beyond the last one.
My brother-in-law was a Dodge DieHard and after he drove my wife's Edge he bought one for his wife.
#21
I will be getting a Lincoln MKX myself. Holding out for the ecoboost for it. I think 2014 for that.
We looked at the Edge and then the sister MKX. The big differences in my eyes were with the edge you could get all the bells and whistles on it but it cost more then the Lincoln that automatically comes with all the stuff.
Lincoln has like three trim levels and that is it. Plus the nice vista roof.
we just like the interior better.
We looked at the Edge and then the sister MKX. The big differences in my eyes were with the edge you could get all the bells and whistles on it but it cost more then the Lincoln that automatically comes with all the stuff.
Lincoln has like three trim levels and that is it. Plus the nice vista roof.
we just like the interior better.
We did end up with the Edge Sport for a real steal and saved $5K. It just came together better and the handling is what we like.
The Lincoln is quieter and the leather is definitely nicer and cooled seats etc...
#22
We came close to buying a 2013 MKX Demo with every option available but there was just something missing for the price. Like I could have bought the Explorer.
We did end up with the Edge Sport for a real steal and saved $5K. It just came together better and the handling is what we like.
The Lincoln is quieter and the leather is definitely nicer and cooled seats etc...
We did end up with the Edge Sport for a real steal and saved $5K. It just came together better and the handling is what we like.
The Lincoln is quieter and the leather is definitely nicer and cooled seats etc...
#25
2007 AWD, my wife traded her Explorer for one, she loves it, I like it, the teenage kids even like it, they say it's sporty looking and it is. Amazingly it's got good leg room.Im 6'5 and I'm comfortable in the front or back seat. Nothing major, 125,000 miles,we replaced a coil and rear wheel bearing. The only complaint I have is the A/C. It cools to specs, it's the fan inside the car, not strong enough. Poor design, maybe the newer ones are better.
#26
We just bought a used 2013 with 2.0 EB for under 20K a few months ago and we love it-highly recommend. Great power and plenty of room-also a safe vehicle for wife and child to be in. It did have a crack in top of fuel pump and leaked gas when filled up and also had the fuel line recall-both covered under warranty.
#27
I have the dealer in Panama City now looking for a 2014 Edge limited with the 2.0 ecoboost. He found only 1 within a 450 range but it doesn't have the adaptive cruise control which we want. Has anyone had any problems with the 2.0 ecoboost or heard of any problems? Also what is the MPG of the 2.0 ecoboost? I'm getting this for my daughter.
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I have the dealer in Panama City now looking for a 2014 Edge limited with the 2.0 ecoboost. He found only 1 within a 450 range but it doesn't have the adaptive cruise control which we want. Has anyone had any problems with the 2.0 ecoboost or heard of any problems? Also what is the MPG of the 2.0 ecoboost? I'm getting this for my daughter.
So there is the possibility that cylinder heads will have to be removed and valves manually cleaned. This will not be cheap. Do a Google search on "direct injected engine intake valve deposits" or something like that. I have read of at least a few such problems with the 2.0 Ecoboost.
I would buy the 3.5 engine in the Edge myself at this point. Good luck with whatever you choose.
George
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I have no clue how full throttle would make any difference. In the days of port injection, full throttle would cause fuel vapor to "rinse" the backs of the intake valves but in a DI engine all the intake valves see is intake air (heated by the turbo) along with oil vapors from the PCV system and exhaust gases from the EGR system.
How many years after the introduction of 2V the mod motor (was it 1991?) did it take for Ford to address the spark plug shooting issues? 14 or 15 years.... I will bet they did extensive testing on the 3 valve heads as well but sticking spark plugs only became a problem once these engines were used in the real world for a number of years.
I don't want there to be a problem, but the only mfr that has addressed the deposit issue directly is Toyota (and Subaru which is partially owned by Toyota). They use a port injector in each port for lower speed operation and then switch to the DI system for higher throttle operation.
One other issue with DI engines used for short trips is fuel dilution. One of my son's engineer buds from U of Mich works at Toyota engineering in Ann Arbor, MI. His job a few years ago was to start a test mule VW every day, drive it across the parking lot, and turn the engine off. After a couple months, the oil in the crankcase was 20% gasoline. This is extreme use, but it still really happened...DI brings potential problems along with its performance improvements.
As I said, I would buy the 3.5 NA in the Edge but you may do your own research or choose not to and buy what you want... I would imagine that pulling the head and cleaning the valves on the 2.0 once would cancel any gasoline savings. If you lease a car for a couple years or trade in every 3 years you will likely not have any problems. I buy vehicles with a 200k mile target.
ps: here is a site selling some kind of snake oil, but there are some photos of intake valves on a 3.5 Ecoboost at various mileages. I don't want an engine that looks like this inside. https://www.bgprod.com/bgfueltest/
George
How many years after the introduction of 2V the mod motor (was it 1991?) did it take for Ford to address the spark plug shooting issues? 14 or 15 years.... I will bet they did extensive testing on the 3 valve heads as well but sticking spark plugs only became a problem once these engines were used in the real world for a number of years.
I don't want there to be a problem, but the only mfr that has addressed the deposit issue directly is Toyota (and Subaru which is partially owned by Toyota). They use a port injector in each port for lower speed operation and then switch to the DI system for higher throttle operation.
One other issue with DI engines used for short trips is fuel dilution. One of my son's engineer buds from U of Mich works at Toyota engineering in Ann Arbor, MI. His job a few years ago was to start a test mule VW every day, drive it across the parking lot, and turn the engine off. After a couple months, the oil in the crankcase was 20% gasoline. This is extreme use, but it still really happened...DI brings potential problems along with its performance improvements.
As I said, I would buy the 3.5 NA in the Edge but you may do your own research or choose not to and buy what you want... I would imagine that pulling the head and cleaning the valves on the 2.0 once would cancel any gasoline savings. If you lease a car for a couple years or trade in every 3 years you will likely not have any problems. I buy vehicles with a 200k mile target.
ps: here is a site selling some kind of snake oil, but there are some photos of intake valves on a 3.5 Ecoboost at various mileages. I don't want an engine that looks like this inside. https://www.bgprod.com/bgfueltest/
George