Hello,
I have just got my first ford (66 F250 Camper Special) for an awesome price. The box is a newer generation long box and has no rust (tons of dents) and the cab is in fantastic shape. The truck belonged to my great grandpa, passed onto my grandpa, my dad and now myself. I would like to have a daily drive up here in Canada, which realistically means I would drive it all summer for 5-6 months and RARELY in the winter. It has the 352 Y block in it with what I believe is a C6? I am looking at doing a swap and was looking for some suggestions. Not out to make crazy power but would like to have some when I want it. Also needs to have some torque so that I can pull my boat out of the launch and a trailer once in a while. There is a 429 up for sale with a C6 for about $500 that I am considering but do not know what would be involved. I know that LMC has mounts for this truck to swap from 352 to 429 but what else am I going to need? And if you have a better suggestion I would be open to hear it.
P.S. I am new to the forums and I have searched but did not come across anything specific to this truck and motor.

 

Welcome to FTE

1965/67 F100/350's with 352's came with MX Cruise-O-Matic (14 trans pan bolt holes).

1968/76 F100/350's with 360/390's came with C6's (17 trans pan bolt holes).

429's were not installed in trucks: 1968/71 Thunderbird - 1968/73 Ford/Merc Passenger Cars only.

To swap 429 (or 460) into 1965/72 F100/250 2WD, 1967/72 F350: 1973/79 F100/350 460 engine mounting parts will be required.

 

Hagbag14, Welcome to FTE & the Slicks Forum.

That 352 is a FE rather than a Y block. No telling what might have been swapped in since it left the factory, that engine may need a rebuild but when in good shape is delivers plenty of torque. A real puller. Hard to say what might be up with yours.

A properly built 429 & C6 would be a great package as well.

hope ya get it figgered out.


John

 

plenty of options to play with. I am not a Ford guy by any means and a guy at work is and thought it would be a Y block but it is for sure a 352. The only reason I mentioned 429 is because there is a 429 with a c6 in my area for $500 that is apparently running. I would obviously like to get a compression test on it before I do anything. Jo, I am not sure if you have seen the LMC mounts but they sell mounts to swap a 429/460 into a 66 F250. I am sure that I will have to swap the headers as well which I would have to snag from something.

 

Mr. Wilker, all FE (and FT) engines are Y blocks, but most people don't refer to them as such.

Left: 292 Y block / Right: FE/FT Y block // Lower portion of block skirt forms an inverted Y.

 

Thank you. Bill, anything to look out for with swaps on F250's? For examples the racks needing to be changed, crossmembers, headers etc. I am looking for a nice all around motor to swap in for daily use but that has some power at my dispossal. The only reason I looked at the 429 was because I was looking through the LMC catalogue yesterday and saw they had a mount kit and found a 429 in my area.

 

Racks...what do this refer to?

LMC is the last place to buy anything, as they're a middle-man operation, use the J. Paul Getty (wealthy TX oilman, now as dead as Julius Caeser) method of making a buck.

Despite all the parts shown in their catalogs, they don't have much of anything. When you send in your order, they use your money to buy the parts elsewhere, from other repro parts sellers and auto parts stores.

Most of what they sell is made in China crap!

 

If you don't go with the 429 you might want to look at 360 or 390 rebuilds. A 360 can be made into a 390 with crank rods and piston upgrades. These will be reliable motors with more than enough power unless you are wanting to drag race on the weekends. Lots of low end torgue for towing and doing truck type stuff and power to boot depending on how you build them. They will be a bolt in proposition. No moding this and that to get them to work. Just a suggestion.

 

Like John (JoWilker), I wonder if there isn't something wrong with your 352 if it seems to have no torque. Especially as F250s were expected to be working trucks and usually had reasonably stout rear gearing - although possibly not with the automatic. Unless your boat is the Queen Mary, or you live in the mountains of Tibet, a healthy 352 should pull your boat OK. Discussing Y blocks is a question of semantics - and dates. ND is, of course, right in saying that the 352 is, technically, a Y block because of how it is shaped (I get confused trying to explain it technically). In Ford V8 genetics, you had the various Flathead V8s from 1932 - 1953. In 1954, the first overhead valve Ford car engines appeared and this was the beginning of the family called Y blocks, denoted by their shape and where the crankshaft was positioned and stuff. Some (probably not all) of the displacements of these engines were 239, 272, 292, and 312. The key thing to look for is the distributor is at the back. Valve covers were held on by two bolts through the center of the valve cover. Y block car engines with dual exhausts had what was called "Ram's Horns" for exhaust manifolds. Single exhausts had a "unique" (that's one word for it) exhaust crossover that was routed around the front of the engine. I'm sure Arctic Y Block and others will add to/correct what I've just written. The next generation of Ford V8 appeared in 1958. The afore mentioned Y block continued in production until 1964. The new engines were called FEs. There is some debate as to what FE actually stands for. FEs share Y block architecture, but the distributor was moved to the front. You will recognize some pretty famous engines when I run through some (not all) of their displacements: 332, 352, 360 (truck), 361 (Edsel), 390, 406, 410 (Mercury), 427 (race), 428 (including Cobra Jet). FEs stayed in production through '71 in cars and '76 in trucks. FEs were replaced by both small blocks (260, 289, 302, 351) and the 385 series Big Blocks (429, 460), depending on application. Is that more than you ever wanted to know about Ford V8s?

 

Mr. Willison, They are NOT referred to as Y blocks on this SITE. OK??

They are cast blocks.


John

 

OK

SuperSabre: First Y block: 1952 Lincoln 317. The 317 and the Lincoln derived 279 truck engine installed in 1952 F7/F8; 1953/55 F700/950.

 

See signature.

 

I prefer to call them the Y not block. Not the greatest on gas milage but as good a motor as you will need in any truck.

 

Thank you, this is great to know. Maybe I will keep my eye out for a 390

the 352 that is in the truck right now is not running. I believe all I need is an ignition coil, battery and some fluids. Going to swapp out the plug wires and battery cables and go from there. I will be driving this truck but just figured while I was driving it I could be tearing something else apart and prepping it to go in. Maybe I will get the 352 running and actually enjoy it and not want to swap it out, who knows!

 

352 has a 4.00" bore and a 3.50" stroke. 1968/76 F100/350 360 & 390 share the same block, the bore is the same (4.05"), the stroke is different. 360 = 3.50" / 390 = 3.78."

You can bore the 352 to 360/390 standard, then use a 390 crank, rods, pistons and rings. VOILA! = 390.