What they could have done, is kept the ranger alive as a diesel only option, 4 cyl .

With the ecoboost, no diesel is going to fit in an f150 and put out like the 3.5 ecoboost, which means the only person buying it would do it purely for mileage.
So they could have dedicated the ranger line up as all 4 cyl 170 hp diesel trucks for mileage. That would have sold a ton of rangers, and filled the gap for people wanting a small truck good on fuel.

And anyone seriously towing lots, uses the super duty anyways.

 

Diesel ½ ton pickup..... that's about as useful as mammary glands on a boar hog...
Can't figure out why anyone would want one...

 

I wonder if there is an updated version of this data, listing 2012 year.
BJ

 

Ford is getting closer and closer to making there gas engines run like diesel engines. There is no reason for ford to make a diesel engine. Pretty soon we will see gasoline engines without spark plugs.

 

well I will say a diesel will outperform the ecoboost. remember its all about torque HP isn't that big of deal. I used to have a dodge diesel. it had 160 hp and 400# of torque. this engine was very capable of pulling just about anything. the engines being discussed for half tons. are already rated at or slightly above that number. as long as the motor puts out about 400#'s of torque your are golden heck thats what a big block gas engine of the 80's and 90's put out. heck its even better than a big block gasser, the big block gasser at least had to rev to get its power.

 

We'll see, when this new Dodge gonna be available

 

The 3.5 ecoboost puts down 365 HP and 420 ft/lbs.
Sure the mileage isn't the best when towing, but 95% of pickup owners probably only tow 5% of the time.
The 3.5 is also light; you add weight for a diesel, you can legally tow less.
I'm not aware of any diesel engine that weighs close to the 3.5 ecoboost, and puts down anywhere close to those numbers.

Again I believe the only benefit is fuel mileage.
The margin is almost to small to create a market.

 

2014 model year

 

Reading the specs on this 3.0L turbodiesel, it seems like it will definitely be a torque monster of a setup. At least when it comes to your typical half ton.

It makes 420ft-lbs at about 1000rpms lower than even the ecoboost, and about 3000rpms lower than the 6.2L V8. It also has a significantly lower first and second gear than Ford's 6R80 6-speed, thanks to the ZF 8-speed.

Hopefully they'll offer it in a regular cab/short bed 4x4 model. I could really use a replacement for my K5 Blazer plow trucks (which also had a lot of low end torque thanks to a wonderfully low first gear)

 

So it will probably have lower towing capacity as an ecoboost f150, same power, marginally more MPG, much larger purchase price and more expensive maintenance.

I'm not feeling it.

 

Gentlmen this is a Ford 6.7 forum. You might want to take this to the F-150 forum. Or take it to a dodge site. Thanks....

 

I don't know if I would call it marginal.

The current 5.7L Grand Cherokee is rated at 13 city/20 highway on mid-grade gasoline.

The new diesel Grand Cherokee 4x4 is rated at 20 city/28 highway, with the same towing rating.

That's about a 54% increase in city fuel economy and a 40% increase in highway fuel economy.

Considering the national average puts diesel fuel at about 6% more expensive than midgrade gasoline, I could definitely see it being worth it depending on where you live and how many miles you put on a year.

The option price isn't even that bad either, it's $2800 over the 5.7L. By comparison, the Ecoboost is $1100-$1400 over the price of the 5.0L and they have no problem flying off the car lots.

 

we could be seeing the future of the half-ton trucks... 30mpg hwy anyone?

 

The gas vs diesel argument has been beat to death millions of times.
Diesel gets more MPG, but oil changes and repairs along with the purchase price, just about erases any potential benefit.

To make it worth while, you gotta put a TON of miles on. A lot more than the average person trading in a truck every 4 or 5 years.

 

That's with larger heavy duty diesels, like the 6.7L in the super duty. With those engines the focus is power over fuel economy, which makes them an expensive option.

With smaller light duty diesels, like the 3.0l, it makes a lot more economic sense. Initial purchase price is much lower, maintence costs are much lower, and fuel economy advantages are greater.