It appears that any vehicle over 11,500GVRW will require a CA# and a MCP AND you have to stop at the truck scales! I know that the signs say NO PICKUPS, but, but definition, a vehicle over 11,500GVRW is no longer considered a pickup Would love to hear from anybody who has a truck over 11,500# When you get a MCP, you also have to carry a higher insurance plan, additionally you are now classified as commercial??

There's also something posted by the ARB about bringing pre-2010 motors into diesel compliance??
edit: Spoke to CA ARB today, pre 2010 diesel motors will be required to be REPLACED to a 2010 or newer motor, by a certain date. That date depends on the year of your vehicle. I have been poking at 2008-09 trucks, and according to the ARB, by 2020-something the entire motor will need to be replaced.

 

I just wanted to comment that the motor replacing deal sounds ridiculous

 

Is that only applicable to commercial trucks? I don't see why if you have an F250 diesel before 2010 you'll need to upgrade the engine? You're only towing an RV?

 

Yes, it's only applicable to commercial trucks; but keep in mind "commercial" is defined by the GVRW.

The section on bringing the diesel motor into compliance with 2010 standards, is ONLY for vehicles > 14500 GVRW; so the F450. F450 is not subject to emissions on CA; the F250 and F350 (both SRW and DRW) are. So, it's kind of a catch 22.

 

gotta love this great state of ours... I wonder why so many jobs/ companies are leaving?
As far as the motor replacement goes,I always thought it was for semi trucks only that were 1994 -2010, and 1993 and down are no longer allowed.

Ive heard so many different things about laws regarding trucks. Ive been told by three people that If you hook up a trailer to a 1 ton and up, you have to have a class A, but without a trailer you are fine, regardless of trailer length and weight. Idk how that works with all the fifth wheel trailers runnin around. I was also told chowchilla area chp enforces this while fresno area chp doesnt? who knows, i dont believe it, Ive never been able to find that law online but my friend and his workers dodge the scales in there f550's to avoid it true or not.

Point being, there are so many laws and restrictions that it is impossible to follow and just as hard to regulate.

 

What do you need to know about the MCP? I deal with that subject at work every day. Also don't confuse the vehicle code definition of a "pickup" with the information that CARB has posted about GVWR's.

 

If you need additional info, PM me and I'll give you my office number or provide you with the number to your local CHP Motor Carrier Safety Unit and we can answer your questions.

There are some drivers license requirement exemptions for folks towing large travel trailers & 5th wheel travel trailers.

You'll find the info under VC 12804.9
CALIFORNIA VEHICLE CODE

 

If I do indeed need to get a MCP for a DRW pickup cab F350/F450 over 11500 GVRW. Also, if you can confirm whether we do indeed need to stop in truck scales. Yeah, I'm not confused about the differentiation between the two. IT was two separate thoughts. Thanks!

 

It's not semi trucks; it's diesel trucks over that 14500 GVRW, so the F450 with or without a pickup bed would fall into this category. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

 

If the GVWR of your "pickup" is 11500, it is no longer a "pickup" and you are required to stop at the scales. If your vehicle no longer meets the definition of a "pickup" you do need the CA number and the Motor Carrier Permit. You are also required to maintain hours of service (log books or time cards if you meet the 100 air mile exemption).

Here's the VC definition of a "pickup"
471. A "pickup truck" is a motor truck with a manufacturer's gross
vehicle weight rating of less than 11,500 pounds, an unladen weight
of less than 8,001 pounds, and which is equipped with an open
box-type bed not exceeding 9 feet in length. "Pickup truck" does not
include a motor vehicle otherwise meeting the above definition, that
is equipped with a bed-mounted storage compartment unit commonly
called a "utility body."

Had a guy stop by a few days ago with his brand new F350 crew cab diesel (single rear wheels) and he missed the definition by 1 pound. His GVWR was 11500. Had Ford stamped it 11499 he would have been OK.

 

You are correct.

 

This is exactly what I was looking for, I couldn't find it through the dmv. Thank you for the link, but especially, thank you for telling me where to look, it would have taken me years to find those paragraphs lol!
Ill be passing this on to my buddy to read through.

 

Happy to help out.

 

Yikes. I confirmed that the GVRW of the F350 SRW crew cab I was looking at is also 11500 GVRW. What a pain. I went from looking at F450s to F350s. Might just keep the 7.3 and not buy anything at all. Good job California!

 

And thats just one of the many reasons so many folks (including myself) have either left or are planning on leaving the Golden State .