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Old 08-11-2012, 07:03 PM
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i was recently informed today that the main reason injector pumps go out is because when you have them turned up your standard mechanical lift pump cant keep up with the amount of fuel it needs and it starves the IP. any opinions on this? if i were to go to an electric pump any recomendations on pump PSI and GPH. any help is appreciated. thanks
 
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:31 PM
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I second this question also. But i know there is more than one variable about an ip breaking down
 
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:39 PM
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while i don't have numbers for you, i do have a few facts on the situation
1) the expected service life for an IP and injectors is 100k miles. failures around or after this point are called normal wear.
2) contaminated fuel can cause premature wear
3) i've read that the IP can suck enough fuel to get by without the lift pump IF the system is perfectly primed to start with.
4) clogged filters are more likely to produce fuel starvation than the design of the lift pump. air intrusion around the return lines is another big cause of fuel starvation. i don't know how these factors affect pump life.

but all that said, i've never heard anyone complain about the facet duralift pump, which is the most highly recomended e-pump around here. our member "typefour" sells them, and you can also find them from other sources if you look around.
 
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:52 PM
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yes the facet duralift is a good e-pump for these engines but it still is "not enough" to keep up with a maxed out pump and turbo. i have read where guys have the duralift pump and still see WOT fuel pressure(read from the filter head) drop to almost 0 psi. you would be better off going with an e-pump set-up that can keep up. if i was to do e-fuel then i would get a pump that can supply more than i need then get a regulator and regulate it to what is needed.
 
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i don't recall ever reading that.the questions always seem to be if they're rated for too much.who's truck was running out of fuel with a duralift?
(he must be getting 1 mpg lmao.)
stock is only like 3-4 psi/the duralift is like up to 11 iirc.
maybe he was using it as a pusher instead of how its made,to pull? maybe he wasn't running just diesel fuel? etc.etc.
 
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Originally Posted by '94IDITurbo7.3
yes the facet duralift is a good e-pump for these engines but it still is "not enough" to keep up with a maxed out pump and turbo. i have read where guys have the duralift pump and still see WOT fuel pressure(read from the filter head) drop to almost 0 psi. you would be better off going with an e-pump set-up that can keep up. if i was to do e-fuel then i would get a pump that can supply more than i need then get a regulator and regulate it to what is needed.
From what ive read thats a good pump... I wonder about his fuel filter if he was low on pressure. I hope this isnt true because im ordering a facet pump
 
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Originally Posted by FORDF250HDXLT
i don't recall ever reading that.the questions always seem to be if they're rated for too much.who's truck was running out of fuel with a duralift?
(he must be getting 1 mpg lmao.)
stock is only like 3-4 psi/the duralift is like up to 11 iirc.
maybe he was using it as a pusher instead of how its made,to pull? maybe he wasn't running just diesel fuel? etc.etc.
Yes your exactly correct. There is just to many factors that could come into play here. This guy must not have had something right. Its not unheard of to get a weak pump right out of the box.
 
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i appreciate all the help and i think i am going to look in to an e pump. while my ip isnt completely maxed out its about a flat away i am still concerned that i am starving it. is this something that i should worry about or no?is their a way to check? and this is non-turbo.
 
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Originally Posted by FORDF250HDXLT
i don't recall ever reading that.the questions always seem to be if they're rated for too much.who's truck was running out of fuel with a duralift?
(he must be getting 1 mpg lmao.)
stock is only like 3-4 psi/the duralift is like up to 11 iirc.
maybe he was using it as a pusher instead of how its made,to pull? maybe he wasn't running just diesel fuel? etc.etc.
i "think" it was Chris(ididriver) over on obn. let me see if i can find it.
 
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Originally Posted by Ididriver
I'm just trying to get an idea because mine doesn't seem to keep up under hard throttle gauge drops too zero.
Altho it's performing SO much beter than the stock mechanical pump did.
Originally Posted by Ididriver
I really like that it won't drop below 7psi.
That's really what I was hoping for with these electric pump. But pressure still drops to nothing when I hammer it or even just heavy accelerating .
How is that pump for you? I rea it and it says it's decisigned to pull oil so how does it react with plain diesel?
Originally Posted by RLDSL
Some of these e pumps , by design , can fool you with just pressure readings. When you open up the throttle and they are at full demand the pressure may drop in the line, but the volume on the supply side is still WAY more than needed and the ip will still be kicking the excess into the bypass port back to the return line. If not experiencing a drop out , then there is nothing a to worry about Even with as heavy as I tow going over the rockeis, I never once experienced any fuel dropouts with a facet duralift
a good point made by RLDSL
 
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Originally Posted by Nick bass
i appreciate all the help and i think i am going to look in to an e pump. while my ip isnt completely maxed out its about a flat away i am still concerned that i am starving it. is this something that i should worry about or no?is their a way to check? and this is non-turbo.
I wouldnt evan try to see if you are starving it. Manuel pumps just are old style. An electric pump saves your batteries and starter. An elecric pump also could help starting if you had a leak or air in the lines. It also sppeds up filter changes
 
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Originally Posted by 1989f250IDI
I wouldnt evan try to see if you are starving it. Manuel pumps just are old style. An electric pump saves your batteries and starter. An elecric pump also could help starting if you had a leak or air in the lines. It also sppeds up filter changes
tru dat^^^^^^
 
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:33 AM
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the facet duralift pump has a few different models as far as psi, which one do u recommend?
 
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I havent verified this.. but the stock lift pump should more than handle what a stock IP could use, even maxed out.
 
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Originally Posted by 1989f250IDI
An electric pump saves your batteries and starter. An elecric pump also could help starting if you had a leak or air in the lines. It also sppeds up filter changes
this is the only reason i put a duralift on my 88.
the original lift pump lasted 175,000 miles, the replacement pump is still on the truck, 320,000 miles later.
i have never had any problems running out or low on fuel to the pump even with the fuel turned all the way up on the second injector pump. i am now on my third injector pump, ready for a fourth.
 
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