Truck wiring
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Truck wiring
Hey Guys and Gals:
I've looked into many diagrams but can't seem to get my questions answered.
I have a '48 Ford F1, running a Flathead v8. I have '56 ignition switch, Ign, Batt, Acc,and St. and two prong push button starter.
I have 3 wires running from "Ign" on Ign switch to; push button starter,then to "S" post on the starter solenoid. One to the "I" post on starter solenoid, then one to the + side of the coil....Question..do I need to run this through the resister?
I'm running one wire from the "Acc" on Ign switch to the fuse block....I don't have a fuse block that I know of, so does it go to the gauges?
I have Powermaster XS Torque Starter..A Batt wire running to starter solenoid then to Neg Battery, Question....Can I run a wire from the Ign terminal on the starter to the "I" post on the starter solenoid or to "Ign" on the ignition switch?
Last, I have a wire running from the "I" post on the starter solenoid to positive side of coil. Do I need this? Thank you all in advance.
I've looked into many diagrams but can't seem to get my questions answered.
I have a '48 Ford F1, running a Flathead v8. I have '56 ignition switch, Ign, Batt, Acc,and St. and two prong push button starter.
I have 3 wires running from "Ign" on Ign switch to; push button starter,then to "S" post on the starter solenoid. One to the "I" post on starter solenoid, then one to the + side of the coil....Question..do I need to run this through the resister?
I'm running one wire from the "Acc" on Ign switch to the fuse block....I don't have a fuse block that I know of, so does it go to the gauges?
I have Powermaster XS Torque Starter..A Batt wire running to starter solenoid then to Neg Battery, Question....Can I run a wire from the Ign terminal on the starter to the "I" post on the starter solenoid or to "Ign" on the ignition switch?
Last, I have a wire running from the "I" post on the starter solenoid to positive side of coil. Do I need this? Thank you all in advance.
#2
First things first... Are we dealing with a stock 6V pos ground system or converted to 12 or?
If using a '56 switch, why are we using a starter button? (the '56 switch has the 'start' function already in the switch) I mean you can if you want, but it doesn't make much sense. IF your are still running 6V system I'd highly advise NOT using the '56 switch. It may not be able to handle the added amperage of a 6V system.
Now to the starter. The more I re-read your post the more it sounds like you are still using a 6V system. These starters will not work on a 6v pos. ground system, only 12v systems.
If using a '56 switch, why are we using a starter button? (the '56 switch has the 'start' function already in the switch) I mean you can if you want, but it doesn't make much sense. IF your are still running 6V system I'd highly advise NOT using the '56 switch. It may not be able to handle the added amperage of a 6V system.
Now to the starter. The more I re-read your post the more it sounds like you are still using a 6V system. These starters will not work on a 6v pos. ground system, only 12v systems.
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Right. I caught that, but then i read this tward the end-
That's why I had to re read it a couple times. Conflicting items right there. That screams positive ground system.
That's why I had to re read it a couple times. Conflicting items right there. That screams positive ground system.
#5
You're right, Dano.
I have the same type of starter on my truck (12v -) and wiring it requires a little thought. That type of starter has its own solenoid, on the starter. The function of the stock-type firewall solenoid can be just to trigger the solenoid on the starter (with the big cable going from battery directly to the starter), or it can trigger both the big wire to the starter and the starter solenoid. I chose to do it the latter way, because it is less complicated.
So we also need to know how his is wired.
I have the same type of starter on my truck (12v -) and wiring it requires a little thought. That type of starter has its own solenoid, on the starter. The function of the stock-type firewall solenoid can be just to trigger the solenoid on the starter (with the big cable going from battery directly to the starter), or it can trigger both the big wire to the starter and the starter solenoid. I chose to do it the latter way, because it is less complicated.
So we also need to know how his is wired.
#6
Ross, I'm a little unfamiliar with this particular starter and want to be certain of it's function. I noticed that it has a batt terminal and a start terminal. I am assuming that once the bat terminal is applied with power (from the solenoid) the ign terminal becomes hot? (to be used as a ballast bypass if needed)
Or does the the ign terminal need to be energized aswell to make the starter turn over?
Or does the the ign terminal need to be energized aswell to make the starter turn over?
#7
First things first... Are we dealing with a stock 6V pos ground system or converted to 12 or?
If using a '56 switch, why are we using a starter button? (the '56 switch has the 'start' function already in the switch) I mean you can if you want, but it doesn't make much sense. IF your are still running 6V system I'd highly advise NOT using the '56 switch. It may not be able to handle the added amperage of a 6V system.
Now to the starter. The more I re-read your post the more it sounds like you are still using a 6V system. These starters will not work on a 6v pos. ground system, only 12v systems.
If using a '56 switch, why are we using a starter button? (the '56 switch has the 'start' function already in the switch) I mean you can if you want, but it doesn't make much sense. IF your are still running 6V system I'd highly advise NOT using the '56 switch. It may not be able to handle the added amperage of a 6V system.
Now to the starter. The more I re-read your post the more it sounds like you are still using a 6V system. These starters will not work on a 6v pos. ground system, only 12v systems.
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Dano78: I have a converted 12v neg grd system. I'm using the starter button because I thought I needed it..Besides, I have a hole in my dash for it and wanted to fill it and thought I might as well have it functioning. When I bought the switch I wasn't aware it had its own start function. In fact, I didn't know till you told me. Thanks
Dano, think of it as a GM car. Starter gets battery power (starter cable) directly from the battery. A "start" signal trigger wire comes from the key switch or starter button to the solenoid on the starter. On GM cars the power distribution is normally from the starter cable connection.
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Keep the 56 ignition switch and wire the "start" position just as you would a GM system...do not use the Ford solenoid inline with the internal starter solenoid, it will cause a delay in the circuitry that will result in a late disengagement of the bendix drive. That means the starter gear will hang and make noise when trying to disengage from the flywheel. The old starter button can now be wired for your horn...makes a good auxiliary horn setup; loud air horn or oogah....just don't play La Cucaracha.
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Dano78: I have a converted 12v neg grd system. I'm using the starter button because I thought I needed it..Besides, I have a hole in my dash for it and wanted to fill it and thought I might as well have it functioning. When I bought the switch I wasn't aware it had its own start function. In fact, I didn't know till you told me. Thanks
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Truck wiring
I know we got a little off course of your initial question, but did it answer any of your questions? If not, ask away more questions. Now that we have a better idea of what we're working with and what you're doing, I think any one of us can now get you on the straight and narrow path.
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Eh, it's really simple. Just think of electricity as water and wire as the pipes. Now that you have converted to 12v neg ground, your starting point is now the positive (+) terminal of the battery, not the negative (-). Ford and their infinite wisdom (as well as other car companies) reversed the polarity on thier 6V systems (making the ground a positive ground, thus grounding the '+' side ofthe battery) of the previous years. Why? Who knows. But they did. But now that you've converted to 12V (which is neg. ground system) it simplifies things a bit better and makes it easier to adapt later model items and accessories.
Here's a simple diagram I drew up for ya. Should be cut and dry. Doesn't include lights, instruments, and charging sysem but would be able to get your truck started and running. I don't know if you are using points or not, but if not, i can re-draw a schematic w/o points depending on what you are using for a distributor or ignition. I drew this up with your particular starter in mind and going with CharlieLed's advice on not doubling up on solenoids. In the past I've always jumped the ign terminal on the starter to the Bat. post on the starter and used a Ford solenoid. But since I've never ran this style/manufacture of starter I went with his idea.
Don't sweat it, the wiring in these old trucks are very simple and once you get into it, you'll start to understand and get a better feeling for it.
Here's a simple diagram I drew up for ya. Should be cut and dry. Doesn't include lights, instruments, and charging sysem but would be able to get your truck started and running. I don't know if you are using points or not, but if not, i can re-draw a schematic w/o points depending on what you are using for a distributor or ignition. I drew this up with your particular starter in mind and going with CharlieLed's advice on not doubling up on solenoids. In the past I've always jumped the ign terminal on the starter to the Bat. post on the starter and used a Ford solenoid. But since I've never ran this style/manufacture of starter I went with his idea.
Don't sweat it, the wiring in these old trucks are very simple and once you get into it, you'll start to understand and get a better feeling for it.
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Dano:
Hey, thank you so much for the diagram....A light just clicked on....I'm a simple guy and a picture works wonders. It's difficult trying to ask questions when you don't know what you're talking about....Thanks for your time....I really appreciate it.......I'm learning a new laptop...which is a challenge in itself..I'd sure like to learn how to draw a diagram on it like you did....Thanks again....You guys are very nice...
Hey, thank you so much for the diagram....A light just clicked on....I'm a simple guy and a picture works wonders. It's difficult trying to ask questions when you don't know what you're talking about....Thanks for your time....I really appreciate it.......I'm learning a new laptop...which is a challenge in itself..I'd sure like to learn how to draw a diagram on it like you did....Thanks again....You guys are very nice...