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Old 06-03-2012, 01:03 PM
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Advice please! Looking at a '67 F250 Camper Spl HELP!!

Hello all. First time reader, first time poster here. Wish I had known of this forum when I had my '78 F150,, but I guess it's never too late.... I had to sell it back in TX because it would have never passed emissions here in AZ..... Had one eye open for a replacement since I've been here in the desert and might have found one this morning. Funny how you key in on stuff like that. I see 'em everywhere since I once owned one and still want a replacement...

Shopping at Home Depot and on the way out of the parking lot saw a guy pull in driving a 1967 F250 camper special in two tone hunter green (top) and cream (bottom). I could tell while he parked it lacked power steering. Top it off with fresh shoe polish on the rear window advertizing it's for sale, but there's no price yet. In fact he was at HD to get more polish/paint to put the $3000 asking price on it and see if he can move it by Tuesday as he is moving to FL and can't take it with him.... Said he got it 3 years ago from a local farmer. Truck is all original save for a few replacement parts that are year correct (column shifter is an example) and the secondary fuel tank has been removed. Barely any rust noted (typical AZ truck) except for some on the right rocker panel, but the rt fender has a dent in it anyway and they fellow has the correct '67 replacement fender albeit in red. Heat works. Speedo and fuel gauge quit working yesterday he says (could that be a fuze?) and he has an aftermarket A/C unit that is supposed to fit under the middle of the dash. Engine is rather oily and I assume all the seals need replaced.

I can't find ebay motors values to back up the asking price (completed listings don't include F250s; just F100's and don't exceed $2300k, but the NADA site says low retail is $9k?!?!?!!? Could that be correct?

Any reason not to try to pick this up? Is that price reasonable?

Thanks in advance!!

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$3K is high in my opinion. Then again, I'm in California where everything seems to cost 25 to 50 percent more.

An exemplary model with desirable options like PS and PB then maybe $3K - but one that is oily, dented, and slightly rusted, one tank removed, with a few non-functional systems should be more in the $1000-$1800 range.
 
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I wouldn't pay any attention to the NADA prices, they are unrealistic compared to what these trucks are worth in the real world. I love the Camper Specials and most of the ones I've come across have been well taken care of and not abused. probably has a lot to do with their intended purpose. I think $3K is very reasonable if it is the truck you want and it is in good shape. OTOH, I've been known to pay a little extra to get what I want, so you might want to wait for more input. If it was me, a good rust-free AZ Camper Special, I'd go for it. It's just a couple of weeks ago since I gave $3500 for a good rust-free NV '71 F250 4WD. I've got a few small issues with it, but I'm happy with my choice plus, it made the 1100 mile drive home with no issues so that says a lot to me.
 
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Originally Posted by HIO Silver
$3K is high in my opinion. Then again, I'm in California where everything seems to cost 25 to 50 percent more.

An exemplary model with desirable options like PS and PB then maybe $3K - but one that is oily, dented, and slightly rusted, one tank removed, with a few non-functional systems should be more in the $1000-$1800 range.
You got in before I did. Yeah, I figured that most would probably have a more conservative figure in mind. There's a lot of factors that I have to consider when looking at a used vehicle. I little oil doesn't bother me if a truck is driven a lot. I'm more suspicious of a motor that has been freshly cleaned up. I'll agree though, if an AZ truck has rusty rocker panels, I have to wonder why. Dents, depends to me to what extent. When someone tells me that something just "quit working yesterday", I write that off as total BS and puts me a little more on my guard.

Again, if the OP is like me and has wanted one of these trucks badly, it really boils down to what you want and what you are willing to pay. If I already had a lot of toys I probably wouldn't pay that much either.
 
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Here are a couple of pictures of the CL ad. I did go see it a few minutes ago and took my neighbor (who's into hot rods in general and owns and works on his '55 Chevy regularly). Engine is tight. Valves are good. Exhaust is new or nearly so. Radiator looks recent. Trans cooler is recent. Rear tires are new within the last year. Brakes need work as there's no good pressure without a pump or two. Might need bled or might need new master either of which are a small matter to me. Column shift needs to have pressure towards the driver to get the ignition to work (adjustment somewhere maybe?). Bed has zero rust. Bottom of doors have zero rust (my '78 was a mess in both areas). Fuel pump is shiny new. Owner says it passes emissions without issue every year (were it a '66 it would be exempt....). He paid $25oo two years ago and bought it from the original owner's son. was a farm truck and I can't imagine the truck has flipped the odometer over. Everything is too tight... But they guessed it had been flipped when he bought it so the title says 165k miles...

Can't find where to upload pics, so here are a couple on photobucket (if they work...).




The dent is above the passenger front wheel and really isn't bad. My neighbor says his dent guy could straighten most of it out without too much effort. Truck does come with the extra fender but that would require paint and then it wouldn't match well....
 
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That's a good looking truck. Looks like it will clean up real nice. Could that be original paint? The dent just looks like a small rust spot, and I didn't notice the rust on the right rocker panel that you mentioned, must be in the door jamb.
 
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Originally Posted by Norton72
You got in before I did. Yeah, I figured that most would probably have a more conservative figure in mind. There's a lot of factors that I have to consider when looking at a used vehicle. I little oil doesn't bother me if a truck is driven a lot. I'm more suspicious of a motor that has been freshly cleaned up. I'll agree though, if an AZ truck has rusty rocker panels, I have to wonder why. Dents, depends to me to what extent. When someone tells me that something just "quit working yesterday", I write that off as total BS and puts me a little more on my guard.

Again, if the OP is like me and has wanted one of these trucks badly, it really boils down to what you want and what you are willing to pay. If I already had a lot of toys I probably wouldn't pay that much either.
Thanks for the insight Norton. I think they guy is on the up and up.... Turns out he's a friend of a friend and they are vouching for him.

Does this thing have a cable speedo? Might that be the issue there? I guess it could be a fuse as well but I don't know this older truck like I knew my '78. Fuel gauge could be a fuse or sender i suppose. Little things like that I would want to fix. Dents and a bit of rust I have lived with in far more abundance with my '78, and I consider this one to be far better for sure!! One thing's for sure there's far less in and around the dash of this truck and should be easier to work on.... I hope!
 
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Originally Posted by Norton72
That's a good looking truck. Looks like it will clean up real nice. Could that be original paint? The dent just looks like a small rust spot, and I didn't notice the rust on the right rocker panel that you mentioned, must be in the door jamb.

I always though of the rocker panels as the lowest spot on the front fender behind the wheel so that's what I called this. Yeah, the rust visible on the passenger side fender behind the front wheel is the only rust I can find. Anywhere. I do believe it's original paint. It was owned by a farmer for farm use and that's all the use it got. Doesn't make too much sense to paint it in that line of work IMO....

edit: He is also throwing in tools he got with the truck. There's an inductive timing light and another meter of some sort (looks like the tool my dad used to set dwell angle with on the old Cutlass), two tool boxes, an extra '67 steering wheel and horn ring and another vintage horn ring (dunno what it fits), the a/c/ unit that looks period correct with compressor etc., VC gaskets and various other sundries.... There' at least $150 in tools and parts I am certain.
 
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Originally Posted by HIO Silver
$3K is high in my opinion. Then again, I'm in California where everything seems to cost 25 to 50 percent more.

An exemplary model with desirable options like PS and PB then maybe $3K - but one that is oily, dented, and slightly rusted, one tank removed, with a few non-functional systems should be more in the $1000-$1800 range.
Mr Silver,

Have a look at the pics I added. I probably made it sound worse than it is. I believe most of what is needed is routine maintenance. The rust spot is visible on the passenger side picture and it's not too bad.

Thanks for your input!
 
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edit: He is also throwing in tools he got with the truck. There's an inductive timing light and another meter of some sort (looks like the tool my dad used to set dwell angle with on the old Cutlass), two tool boxes, an extra '67 steering wheel and horn ring and another vintage horn ring (dunno what it fits), the a/c/ unit that looks period correct with compressor etc., VC gaskets and various other sundries.... There' at least $150 in tools and parts I am certain.
IF you buy that truck soon and IF you want to sell that steering wheel and horn ring, post pictures and let me know. I have one I'm looking at on Ebay that is kinda ugly and it ends in about 25 hours. Good luck on the truck, it's a beauty. Do you know if it's a 360 or a 390?
 
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Originally Posted by Norton72
IF you buy that truck soon and IF you want to sell that steering wheel and horn ring, post pictures and let me know. I have one I'm looking at on Ebay that is kinda ugly and it ends in about 25 hours. Good luck on the truck, it's a beauty. Do you know if it's a 360 or a 390?

Norton,

We have agreed to a price of $2500 and I'll get it tomorrow am. He wanted $2700 because of the $300+ he spent on tires. Told him I'd give him $2250 on his way out of town Tuesday.... He laughed and said "yeah, I guess $2500 now would be better".

As far as the steering wheel goes I really don't know if it even is a '67. I'll be glad to post pictures (once I figure out how without photobucket) but don't miss out on an opportunity because this might be what you want, you know? Also, I need to make sure the one on it is okay.... Seems he bought a steering column to replace the broken column shifter and kept all the other parts....
 
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Congratulations! Looks like you got a good deal on a nice truck to me.

If that steering wheel is a three spoke it should be for 67-70 trucks. I think the only way to post pictures here is with a third party hosting site like Photobucket. I use ImageShack myself and have not seen another way to do it. Standing by for pics.
 
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Originally Posted by Norton72
Congratulations! Looks like you got a good deal on a nice truck to me.

If that steering wheel is a three spoke it should be for 67-70 trucks. I think the only way to post pictures here is with a third party hosting site like Photobucket. I use ImageShack myself and have not seen another way to do it. Standing by for pics.

Well Photobucket is fine with me, just wondered if there was something easier....

As I recall it';s a three spoke. Don't remember what color or condition it is.

re: the engine, the guy has no idea what size it is. All I can find on line says it should be a 352 cid. Door tag says "cert net HP" is 172 Seems small to me. The trans is a G 24 but I don't know what that means....
 
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Well Photobucket is fine with me, just wondered if there was something easier....

As I recall it';s a three spoke. Don't remember what color or condition it is.

re: the engine, the guy has no idea what size it is. All I can find on line says it should be a 352 cid. Door tag says "cert net HP" is 172 Seems small to me. The trans is a G 24 but I don't know what that means....
Oh yeah, I'm sorry. It probably is a 352. I was kinda stuck in my own little world for a while there. Post the VIN when you get a chance.
 
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Originally Posted by vwfreak
I can't find ebay motors values to back up the asking price (completed listings don't include F250s; just F100's and don't exceed $2300k,

but the NADA site says low retail is $9k?!?!?!!? Could that be correct?
NADA price guides are worthless as teats on a mule, anyone that believes their BS prices needs to take a course in Reality 101.

The figures are based on averaged out ASKING prices taken from vehicle ads listed on ebay, in Hemmings Motor News, Cars & Parts, newspaper ads. Not what the vehicles actually sold for!

Norton72: Same 3 spoke steering wheels: 1960/63 Falcon/Comet / 1961/66 F100/250 2WD / 1966 F100 4WD / 1966/73 Bronco / 1967/70 F100/250 2WD/4WD / 1969/70 F350.

Repro'd in black only by Carpenter. Horn ring also repro'd (Bronco different), as is the horn button, 3 eared nylon retainer, horn brush and insulator and etc.

A/T shift collar still available from Ford: 1965/77 F100/350 is the same / 1967/72 F100/350 fenders are the same, the only difference are the mouldings.

Be aware: 1967, 1968 before serial number C56,000: The upper side mouldings are 1 1/4" wide / 1968 from serial number C56,001, 1969, 1970/72 Sport Custom: The upper side mouldings are 1 1/2" wide.

btw: How can y'all tell if a truck is a Camper Special...or not, since there are no codes within the VIN or stamped on the Warranty Plate that decode to? I know how (has nothing to do with emblems), do y'all?

Looking at this truck, I see 1967 Galaxie el cheapo Passenger Car side mirrors, not the high mount Western Mirrors w/the 3rd steady-rest arm many came with.

Most Camper Specials came with the tool compartment on the right quarter panel. This truck doesn't have it, and...

If you believe this wild mule p!ss of the speedo and fuel gauge "quit working yesterday," I have some cheap land in the Loosiana Delta to sell you. It's under water, but...

DO NOT believe a single word a seller claims! Private sellers can lie just as well as used/new car dealers, lawyers and politicians.

The odometers of these trucks read to 99,999.9 then return to ZERO. Crooked used/new car dealers and owners alike, engaged in the illegal practice of rolling back odometers. So do not believe the mileage
 


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