Thought's for Shop?
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Thought's for Shop?
So i'm about to buy my house when i get back from Afghanastan.
There is a 24' x 60' shop on the property but it doesn't have a floor, It's just dirt. I was just wandering what other's would recommend for putting a concrete floor in. Do i need to tear down the shop, pour the slab, then put the shop back up?
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There is a 24' x 60' shop on the property but it doesn't have a floor, It's just dirt. I was just wandering what other's would recommend for putting a concrete floor in. Do i need to tear down the shop, pour the slab, then put the shop back up?
Thank's for reading!
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I'm assuming it's a pole barn or something similar like post and beam construction. If that's the case go ahead and pour away. A good placer/finisher will snap lines at the perimeter and give himself benchmarks in the field of the pour.
Post a pic if you can and we can verify its' method of construction. The only time it would not be safe to pour a floor would be if the sidewalls were the sole means of support and were sitting on dirt (no footings) but its unlikely thats the case.
Thats a nice size starter shop, good luck with getting it together.
Most importantly, thanks for your service.
Post a pic if you can and we can verify its' method of construction. The only time it would not be safe to pour a floor would be if the sidewalls were the sole means of support and were sitting on dirt (no footings) but its unlikely thats the case.
Thats a nice size starter shop, good luck with getting it together.
Most importantly, thanks for your service.
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LMS, Thank's for the reply and thank you for your Military Service support!
As of right now, I honestly do not know what kinda' shop it is... I'm currently renting the house and the shop is used for sorage by the owner. However, I do believe it is supported by the wall's, I do not think there are support beam's in the middle of the floor plan...
I cannot post pic's out here, The only internet we have access to is the Government computer's. I will do a google search and see if i can find one close to my soon to be shop lol.
As of right now, I honestly do not know what kinda' shop it is... I'm currently renting the house and the shop is used for sorage by the owner. However, I do believe it is supported by the wall's, I do not think there are support beam's in the middle of the floor plan...
I cannot post pic's out here, The only internet we have access to is the Government computer's. I will do a google search and see if i can find one close to my soon to be shop lol.
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I did a google map, It's a pretty old pic, none of the "garbage" is still there and the place is clean lol but you can see the shop.
100 harriman steet, galvin, wa - Google Maps
100 harriman steet, galvin, wa - Google Maps
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It doesn't necessarily need center support to be a pole barn or post/beam at 24' wide. There's plenty of clear span trusses that would work. What you need to be sure of is that the primary supports are well footed/anchored. Its very possible they are located within the outside walls with no intermediate supports showing.
If its listed property, you might be able to find a link to the listing.
If its listed property, you might be able to find a link to the listing.
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Good sleuthing.
That sure looks like a typical machine shed/pole barn. It will stand well on its' own. Go ahead and pour.
Of course I couldn't guarantee that advice without seeing it up close and personal, but have no reason to think its anything unusual.
Looks like a nice piece of property, good luck.
Good time to use your VA entitlement to purchase if you need to.
That sure looks like a typical machine shed/pole barn. It will stand well on its' own. Go ahead and pour.
Of course I couldn't guarantee that advice without seeing it up close and personal, but have no reason to think its anything unusual.
Looks like a nice piece of property, good luck.
Good time to use your VA entitlement to purchase if you need to.
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Prior to setting up to pour, take a close look at how well the baseplates are anchored at the sidewalls. If theres any movement, be sure to set braces just outside the perimeter walls at grade to make sure the concrete pressure doesnt bulge them until its cured. Post back any questions you might have when you're ready to do this.
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Lol, Yes i am using my VA loan, It is a nice house and i love the fact that i will finally get my own shop.
Another question, Because of the size. Do i need to have a truck bring the concrete or can i get away with using a self mixer and make it a whole day job? Also, since the building is already in place, Do i make the edge's inside to the corner's of the shop or do i overlap a bit and extend past the exterior wall's?
Another question, Because of the size. Do i need to have a truck bring the concrete or can i get away with using a self mixer and make it a whole day job? Also, since the building is already in place, Do i make the edge's inside to the corner's of the shop or do i overlap a bit and extend past the exterior wall's?
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According to my calculations, your 24' x 60' slab, assuming 4" depth will take 17.78 cubic yards of concrete.
I'm not saying it can't be done but one person mixing and placing that much concrete will take substantially longer than a day, more like 5 or 6. You would have to segment the pours, providing rebar reinforcement for subsequent sections.
I vote for getting redi-mix from a reputable supplier near you. It will take about 1 3/4 truckloads unless your weight restrictions are looser there. We can safely carry 10-11 yards per truck here.
I would stay within the confines of your exterior walls, paying attention to what I said earlier about reinforcement.
I can only project local pricing here but a good 6 bag fibered mix runs about 125.00 per yard delivered plus fuel surcharges and overtime in excess of 8 minutes per yard, you'll need some help from buddies.
It should run around 2500.00 tops. I'm guessing its a little less expensive in WA but I don't know for sure.
I'm not saying it can't be done but one person mixing and placing that much concrete will take substantially longer than a day, more like 5 or 6. You would have to segment the pours, providing rebar reinforcement for subsequent sections.
I vote for getting redi-mix from a reputable supplier near you. It will take about 1 3/4 truckloads unless your weight restrictions are looser there. We can safely carry 10-11 yards per truck here.
I would stay within the confines of your exterior walls, paying attention to what I said earlier about reinforcement.
I can only project local pricing here but a good 6 bag fibered mix runs about 125.00 per yard delivered plus fuel surcharges and overtime in excess of 8 minutes per yard, you'll need some help from buddies.
It should run around 2500.00 tops. I'm guessing its a little less expensive in WA but I don't know for sure.
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These should give you a pretty good idea of what youre getting into. I would normally recommend that you started with something smaller, like a sidewalk or patio, but it can be done. Think of it as a challenge and I'm sure your challenges in Afghanistan would make this a cakewalk by comparison.
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How to Finish a Large Span of Concrete with Step-by-Step Pictures
These should give you a pretty good idea of what youre getting into. I would normally recommend that you started with something smaller, like a sidewalk or patio, but it can be done. Think of it as a challenge and I'm sure your challenges in Afghanistan would make this a cakewalk by comparison.
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Thank you so much for your help! your an awesome dude man! Thank you!
If it does turn out to be 2500ish, I'll just wait till tax return season. Most importantly, I want to do this right, Not just pour and call it good. I have alot of friend's in different field's of work, but non that do this stuff lol.
If it does turn out to be 2500ish, I'll just wait till tax return season. Most importantly, I want to do this right, Not just pour and call it good. I have alot of friend's in different field's of work, but non that do this stuff lol.
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Shop around for a concrete contractor. On that size a pour, they probably use 3 to 5 guys. You only get one shot to finish it right, and time flys when it's coming out of the truck.
As for the support of the building, study the supports and see if you need to add footings under poles, the walls etc. You might do that first before you do the floor pour.
Looks like a good building and a nice size, so you might as well get'er right.
In our garage, I ran electrical conduits well under the concrete to avoid haveing to drill and string wire up above. Hasn't burned down yet....
Good luck with it and thank you for your service.
As for the support of the building, study the supports and see if you need to add footings under poles, the walls etc. You might do that first before you do the floor pour.
Looks like a good building and a nice size, so you might as well get'er right.
In our garage, I ran electrical conduits well under the concrete to avoid haveing to drill and string wire up above. Hasn't burned down yet....
Good luck with it and thank you for your service.
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I don't know what temperatures are like out there, but this would be a good chance to install in-slab heating if you are going to be out there a bunch in the winter. That will cost you more up front, but I've heard its a great way to heat a garage.
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Good luck with your shop. The one thing I know about shops is that they are never big enough. You can always use more. I think having a good concrete contractor would be a wise move. That stuff will set up faster than you think and a good level, smooth surface is what you are after.
Thanks for your service to our country.
Thanks for your service to our country.