It's a 1953 model with a dually rear-end and I'm trying to locate the correct part number(s) for both the right and left rear wheel cylinders. Each hub has two cylinders within it that are tied in series via an internal (to the hub) metal tube. So the brake is connected to the first cylinder on its external face and then coupled to the second cylinder courtesy of the internally-mounted ports. I can't seem to find these animals. Does anyone have any insight into the model numbers I should be looking for?

I ordered Raybestos WC9344 and WC9345 for the right and left. I have not torn the old ones out yet so I do not know if my replacements have the same mounting interface or not, but they certainly don't have dual ports on them. However, they ARE the dual-rod configuration, so is it possible to just couple them with external plumbing? I think the cylinder diameter might be 1-1/4 but I'm not certin.

Thanks in advance.

 

I don't know how much help this will really be, but your Ford part numbers were TDAA-2261-A Rear Upper, 1 1/2" diameter and TDAA-2262-A Rear Lower, 1 1/2" diameter. Application is 1953-54 F-500/600 only.

Being as these are brake parts, and the brakes are the most important piece of equipment on your truck, I wouldn't recommend trying to cobble something together that isn't designed to work as designed. Just my 2c. Good luck with your part search.

 

Thanks for the info.

I finally gave up searching and just called Raybestos directly (sorta). Pretty helpful folks. I was actually kinda impressed. Anyhow, they provided me with two part numbersl: WC28850 and WC28851. I have not ordered them, but they do appear to be the correct replacements. Out of curiosity I cross-referenced those part numbers on a big-name website and it indicated they fit the 58-59 Dodge P410/P420. I cannot validate any of this, but it might help put someone on the right trail.

As to my rig, I finally got the hubs apart and the cyclinders pulled. Surprisingly the walls were in good shape so I'm just going to give them a short once-over with a hone. (And probably tighten up the old emergency brake just in case...)

 

Dail 1-800-numbersdummy. He will know

 

Hi and welcome to the site,
According to my 53-56 parts book (1964 printing) the rear cylinders for 53-56 F (T) and C (W) 500's used the same wheel cylinders. I replaced the cylinders on my 56 C-500 and they were Raybestos # WC28850 and WC28851 so the numbers you have should be correct.
Just for general reference.
Sorry Wayne, but that's what my book tells me.

 

I guess one is never to old to learn something new and this is new to me.
To bad you cant take a picture of this. Every brake job I ever have done
the equalizer pipe is on the outside into a three way brass fitting. I take it
you say this pipe is inside of the backing plate??? Is this truck original or
somebodys been in there over the years or is it military or something??

 

Old Ugly, thank you for the Welcome! Since we seem to have the same colored animal, could you tell me what part# I need for replacing one of the pad-retraction springs? BTW - just how does one go about installing those monsters during reassembly, I had a devil of a time just getting them off and am not looking forward to putting 'em back on?? On a side note, since those parts are used in Dodge line, is it possible that the hubs might be interchangeable? I'd really like to get Dayton "star" rims on the back and pitch the splits, so would you know the identity for the axle itself? (Maybe I can use the axle number to locate other trucks that might be Dayton-equipped. Or do you think I'd be wasting my time with that effort?)

Big Job - My expertise is computer systems, not cars so you'll have to excuse my lack of terminology. About all I can say is that the tube you're referring to is "internal" to the hub, so it cannot be accessed from the outside. The first cylinder has opposing ports - one located on the typical mounting face, the other 180-degrees opposite on the cylinder. (Like the piston-side of bucket cylinders if you're familiar with that type of equipment). The internal port is connected to a match internal port on the downstream cylinder -- which only has the bleeder accessible from the outside.

As far as I can tell the only thing that might have been non-stock was maybe the late generation Y-Block. It had customized mounting brackets so I am only speculating that it as a transplant. Since I pulled this from a field and the Y was locked up (eventually unseized) I didn't feel like messing with it at the time so I transplanted a 7.3IDI w/power steering. I also doubled up the transmissions keeping both the ZF and the older T (with the PTO). They're mounted in series to create a "20 speed" tranny, giving it both super-super-duper low and a more diesel friendly top. This also lets the PTO run an different speed ratios by changing gears on the ZF. (I failed to point out earlier this has dump bed on it.) But, I find I'm rambling...

 

No worries, Rod. My book is older and it shows a different part number for 1955, which is as new as it goes. It's no surprise that in later years, Ford would supercede the parts with ones that would be more universal and fit more applications. Keeps costs and inventory under control.

 

Hi,
This one got me thinking so I went out and looked at the backing plates on my C-500 (Old Ugly) and the connector line is on the inside. Sooo I then looked in my 53-56 shop manual and it shows internal connector lines on 5-600 series and external lines on 7-900 series.
I hope this helps ease your mind and my explanation is understandable.

 

Hi K_Man,
It has been about 8 years since I replaced the wheel cylinders and I'm working with a not so good memory, need to look at my notes a lot. I have a tool to remove and install the springs, but I don't know how to describe it. I think you could probably get one from Napa. To put them back on you may be able to use a piece of 3/8 inch rod and grind a notch in the end. Put the rod through the spring hook and the notch over the pin and pry it on, may or may not work.
I think Ford used this same brake system into the late 70's but I'm not sure. If they did you may get the springs from Ford or Napa, worth a try. I personally do not deal with Napa here as their prices are double compared to the small company I deal with here. I have found these people very good at finding parts for me and I'm pretty sure they get them from the same warehouses that Napa gets them from. I think Napa's prices in the U.S. are comparable with the company I deal with here.
Sorry, I must go now, will be back later.

 

Back again,
Concerning your thoughts on changing to Dayton hubs (spoke hubs) according to my parts books and my memory Ford did not use them on anything smaller than the 700 series so I don't think Dodge would have used them on anything comparable to a 500 series. I do however believe that many Dodge and Ford parts were the same.
I would really like to see some pictures of your engine transplant, power steering and trans setup. This interests me as I put a 5.9 with the 5 spd and a 4071 Spicer "A" box in my C-500.
Perhaps we could share some pictures, me first.

 

A LOT of those parts were used for many year models into the 60's

I had no problems getting wheel cyls for my 55 F-600....They were Raybestos also.

Mine are also internally connected

 

1948/56 Ford Truck Parts Catalog (1964 final edition) / Text ~ Section 22, Page 52 // 1940/90 O-S-I (Obsolete-Supercede-Interchange) Catalog:

2) B8T-2261-A (replaced TDAA-2261-A) .. Upper Rear Wheel Cylinder-includes link / 1 1/2" / Obsolete / 10 available NOS

2) B8T-2262-A (replaced TDAA-2262-A) .. Lower Rear Wheel Cylinder-includes link / 1 1/2" / Obsolete / 30 available NOS

Applications: 1953/56 F500/600, C500/600 & P500 Parcel Delivery / 1954/56 B700 & F750 with T/A (Tandem Axles).

These cylinders also fit 1957/60, but there are too many different rear brake parts lists (there are none in the 1948/56 catalog) that could apply to find their applications.

It would take me at least 30 minutes to research them all.

1-800-numberdummy just returned from a two week Alaska Cruise-Tour, have been playing catch up ever since, why I didn't respond to this thread sooner.