Ford F150 EB (or 5.0) vs Toyota Tundra
#32
05-29-2012, 08:10 AM
Didn't know that (don't really care). All I know is that I didn't want an Eco-Boost. Coulda afforded it (paid 37,000 bucks cash for the F150), but didn't wanna take a chance on a 218 or so cid V6 engine to power a 3 ton behemoth.
#33
05-29-2012, 08:46 AM
#34
05-29-2012, 08:58 AM
Or trying to help people have the most informed decision that they can have.
I've only been in a Tundra a hand full of times and it was unloaded and it did handle pretty nice. I can't compare to the Ford equivalents (at least the current ones) as I haven't been in either one, but it is on par with my 5.4 in my 150. Now my Ford has more creature comforts in it then the Tundra that I was in that I liked. As far as towing, I don't use the 150 for that at all and only light hauling. Otherwise it's being done with my DRW and there is no comparison between any of those half tons to that.
#35
05-29-2012, 09:31 AM
I buy a new vehicle every one or two years. Why? Because I can afford to. And, since they're under warranty, I could care less. I owned the Fusion for just over 2 years, never looked under the hood of it.
Prior, back to 1998, bought new 3 Nissan Titans, 2 Buicks, a Saturn Vue, Oldsmobile Intrigue, Lexus LS400, Nissan Maxima, F150. Never looked under the hoods of any of these piles either.
But on the older stuff I've owned over the years (since 1956), did most of my own work, so I've looked under the hoods of over 300 vehicles, all bought used.
The only old pile I own today is a 1934 Packard V12, You don't waltz down to any parts store and buy parts for this puppy!
I get a kick oughtta some of y'all crying buy American. How many of y'all shop at chain autoparts stores, Wal-Mart, Target, Home Depot, Lowe's, Best Buy and etc? Where do you think most off the goods these places sell come from?
CHINA!
The only thing I've ever bought at Wal-Mart was one car cover, buy dog treats at Target, cuz they're cheaper than buying from Ralph's. When one has 4 Basset Hounds, one buys a lotta dog treats.
I'm **** about buying USA goods, prolly more than most FTE members, but that's kinda difficult today. I wear a lotta Hawaiian shirts. Why? Because they're made in the USA.
But when it comes to buying trousers, I haven't found one store that sells made in the USA. And, since I'm oversized, have to go to tall/fatman stores. Bought two pairs recently, tags say made in Indonesia.
Have worn Lama boots since the 1960's, made in Texas, doncha know.
#36
05-29-2012, 09:44 AM
I've driven all of them, had a rental Crew Max, 5.7L Tundra for a few days once, recently had a Super Crew, EcoBoost and I own/ drive an '11, XLT, 5.0L. I'm not going to lie, the 5.7L Tundra feels alot quicker off the line than my 5.0L F-150, and carrying the same 700-800 lbs in the box was pretty much undetectable in that truck as well, where I do feel the extra weight when a siilar load is in my 5.0L truck.
I'm going to put a foot out there and say that , the 5.7 i-Force V8 feels even more stout from say 0-40 than the EcoBoost I rented, but the Eco had the 3.31 rear axle so not sure if that made a difference? (I didn't not know what the rear-end was on the Tundra), it was a fully loaded "Platinum" model so I would assume 3.73? or 4.10??
However my 5.0L Feels more powerful from say mashing the gas pedal from 45-50 onward. While the gas milage wasn't obscene in the Tundra like it was in the '08 3/4 6.0L Gasser Chevy Silverado I was driving back then it also wouldn't get anywhere near the 21-22 mpgs I can pull off on the highway with my 5.0L F-150.
Truthfully I can't stand the way the Tundra looks, the interior is a mess to look at albeit everything is where is should be, it just looks like it was made by Little Tikes. I'm 5'6'' and felt like I was always sitting on the edge of a big, fat-mans seat in the Tundra, where I feel right at home in my F-150 seats.
I also felt the Tundra handled a little bit flatter and with more precision than my F-150 does, but then again my XLT has the 18" wheels with huge sidewalls. The Tundra I drove had the 20" wheel package with what looked like more of a lower profile tire.
I am more than happy with my 5.0L and would certainly buy again. When I was looking for a truck I appreciated the info screen, SYNC, and the other bells & whistles that came with that package over the high-tech engine option with about similar performance. And you are right, the discount for a 5.0L truck over the popular EcoBoost right now is a lot deeper.
I'm going to put a foot out there and say that , the 5.7 i-Force V8 feels even more stout from say 0-40 than the EcoBoost I rented, but the Eco had the 3.31 rear axle so not sure if that made a difference? (I didn't not know what the rear-end was on the Tundra), it was a fully loaded "Platinum" model so I would assume 3.73? or 4.10??
However my 5.0L Feels more powerful from say mashing the gas pedal from 45-50 onward. While the gas milage wasn't obscene in the Tundra like it was in the '08 3/4 6.0L Gasser Chevy Silverado I was driving back then it also wouldn't get anywhere near the 21-22 mpgs I can pull off on the highway with my 5.0L F-150.
Truthfully I can't stand the way the Tundra looks, the interior is a mess to look at albeit everything is where is should be, it just looks like it was made by Little Tikes. I'm 5'6'' and felt like I was always sitting on the edge of a big, fat-mans seat in the Tundra, where I feel right at home in my F-150 seats.
I also felt the Tundra handled a little bit flatter and with more precision than my F-150 does, but then again my XLT has the 18" wheels with huge sidewalls. The Tundra I drove had the 20" wheel package with what looked like more of a lower profile tire.
I am more than happy with my 5.0L and would certainly buy again. When I was looking for a truck I appreciated the info screen, SYNC, and the other bells & whistles that came with that package over the high-tech engine option with about similar performance. And you are right, the discount for a 5.0L truck over the popular EcoBoost right now is a lot deeper.
Also, I doubt a Tundra would reliably return 22 mpg on the highway like I get with my 5.0. It is down on torque but for towing, just accept that you have to run about 700 rpm higher and all is well.
NC
#37
05-29-2012, 09:48 AM
Rather or not you buy new, used, every year, every decade.
Now if it's not where you interest lies that's something else.
#38
05-29-2012, 09:50 AM
I test drove the Tundra, Ram and F-150 5.0 and agree with everything said here. I'd get a Ram long before I'd get the Tundra. I just hate the Tundra's interior and iPod integration is non existent.
Also, I doubt a Tundra would reliably return 22 mpg on the highway like I get with my 5.0. It is down on torque but for towing, just accept that you have to run about 700 rpm higher and all is well.
NC
Also, I doubt a Tundra would reliably return 22 mpg on the highway like I get with my 5.0. It is down on torque but for towing, just accept that you have to run about 700 rpm higher and all is well.
NC
#39
05-29-2012, 10:24 AM
My health precludes me from bending over fender anymore, and I did that more than most FTE members for more than 50 years.
I got into this nutty biz, cuz my family owned an Olds Dealership. While I worked at Ford dealers for 35 years, I'm really a Packard nut and have been since the 1940's.
My aunt had a 1940 Super 8 180, I fell in love with that car and have owned sixty Packards over the years. I've also owned 84 FoMoCo vehicles, limey and kraut cars, and a lotta other stuff y'all have prolly never heard of.
#40
05-29-2012, 10:28 AM
#41
05-29-2012, 10:41 AM
The car was all original with 10,000 actual miles, so not only did I want to protect it, but hide it from prying eyes. I whizzed over to Wal-Mart and bought it there cuz it was Saturday night, no one else was open.
This was the only time I've ever shopped at Wal-Mart, who has killed off many a family owned mom & pop business by undercutting their prices by selling mostly cheap made in China goods.
I buy Milk Bone dog biscuits and Beggin' Strips from Target. They are usually cheaper than Ralphs by at least 5 bucks on the bones, 4 bucks on the dog treats.
Outside of an occasional soda pop I drink while shopping, this is all I buy from Target. I buy plants from Lowe's, AFAIK, grown in the USA.
#42
05-29-2012, 11:48 AM
My DD's have all been purchased new vehicles in recent years, take them to the dealers to be serviced, they're under warranty, so if something breaks, that's their problem.
My health precludes me from bending over fender anymore, and I did that more than most FTE members for more than 50 years.
My health precludes me from bending over fender anymore, and I did that more than most FTE members for more than 50 years.
Not knowing the engine that's under the hood of your vehicle can cost you if nothing else in time and aggravation, so it can be your problem if you aren't careful. I don't care if you never pop the hood. My dad never has and he actually has a more frequent buying schedule then you do and that includes vehicles like the SL600 and still knows what engine is under the hood.
You would be surprised about what some people may or may not have heard of, but I digress on that one.
#43
05-29-2012, 01:53 PM
I'm sorry, but how does any of that mean that you can't know what's under the hood.
Not knowing the engine that's under the hood of your vehicle can cost you if nothing else in time and aggravation, so it can be your problem if you aren't careful. I don't care if you never pop the hood. My dad never has and he actually has a more frequent buying schedule then you do and that includes vehicles like the SL600 and still knows what engine is under the hood..
Not knowing the engine that's under the hood of your vehicle can cost you if nothing else in time and aggravation, so it can be your problem if you aren't careful. I don't care if you never pop the hood. My dad never has and he actually has a more frequent buying schedule then you do and that includes vehicles like the SL600 and still knows what engine is under the hood..
I wasn't aware it was a 5.0L DOHC, thought it was a SOHC, but whatever it is doesn't matter to me because it'll prolly be gone within a year, replaced by something else.
Before I bought this thing, wanted a 5.0L Bordeaux Red XLT Screw w/a power seat, tow package and tan interior. No one within 100 miles of LA had one, didn't want to wait three months to get one if I ordered it.
11/13/2010, I attended the FoMoCo drive the new F150 event at AutoClub Speedway in Fontana. The parking lot was used for the drive tests, the laid out courses were too short to evaluate much of anything.
1/22/2011, I attended a car show at a local dealer, got talking to a sales person, ended up buying this thing even though I hate white vehicles, don't really care about heated/cooled seats and ugly blond interior fake wood accents.
And btw, what I really wanted was a new Bentley Continental GT, but after looking at one, had no more chance of fitting in it than a Mustang. I sold my last Bentley (1962 Continental Flying Spur, body by Hooper) to a collector is Sweden 11/2009.
The '62 was a much larger car, basically the same as a Cloud III Rolls. I bought it in 1975 for 8 grand with 30K on the clock, sold it with 40K on the clock for 90 grand, cuz it was a "one off" made for royalty.
I've made a lotta money over the years buying/selling original cars and Ford and Packard obsolete parts. So now can buy what I want to paying cash. My mother passing away in 2003, leaving an estate of 20 million bucks gave me even more loot to play with.
#44
05-29-2012, 02:44 PM
Before I bought this thing, wanted a Bordeaux Red XLT Screw w/a power seat, tow package and tan interior. No one in LA had one, didn't want to wait three months to get one if I ordered it.
1/22/2011, I attended a car show at a local dealer, got talking to a sales person, ended up buying this thing even though I hate white vehicles, don't really care about heated/cooled seats and ugly blond interior fake wood accents.
And btw, what I really wanted was a new Bentley Continental GT (150 grand), but I had no more chance of fitting in it than a Mustang.
That's the only thing that I can come up with based on what you are telling me.
Unfortunately for you though, you don't really buy what you want though (see previous quote of yours). Doesn't really matter if there are physical, mental, or financial reasons why you aren't buying what you really want, the main point is, according to you, you aren't.
#45
05-29-2012, 02:53 PM
To save you the trouble, I'm a disabled 67 year old and oversized, so I cannot buy a Mustang, Bentley or anything else I want, cuz I haven't a chance of fitting in them.
So I'm stuck buying large pickups, SUV's. When I bought the Fusion in 2008, I wasn't as crippled as I am now as the spinal stenosis wasn't affecting me as much.
It won't be long before I'll require one a those motorized wheel chairs, not looking forward to this one damn bit. I walk using a cane now, have had DP plates since 2003.