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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 05:46 AM
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Sons truck is running bad with no boost. We looked thru the forums and changed the fuel filter along with other recommendations; no help. Unplugged the MAP sensor and truck runs great with boost. Purchased new MAP sensor and installed it; truck still does not have boost or power. Unplugged new sensor and again truck runs great. Not sure where to look now. It seems to me that another sensor must be bad but not sure which on and how to test. Any help would be great .
 
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 06:53 AM
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Sons truck is running bad with no boost. We looked thru the forums and changed the fuel filter along with other recommendations; no help. Unplugged the MAP sensor and truck runs great with boost. Purchased new MAP sensor and installed it; truck still does not have boost or power. Unplugged new sensor and again truck runs great. Not sure where to look now. It seems to me that another sensor must be bad but not sure which on and how to test. Any help would be great .
Hmmm.... If the MAP sensor is unplugged, the PCM defaults the reading to 14.7 PSI (sea-level pressure with no boost). I don't have experience with this problem, but my PC/ED manual tells me to check your EBP and BARO sensor readings. This likely wouldn't help unless you are actually at a higher altitude.

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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 08:17 AM
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't boost calculated from the difference between MAP and EBP? Couldn't the problem be a biased EBP sensor and this is skewing the boost data processed by the PCM? I would connect the MAP sensor and try disconnecting the EBP sensor and see it if runs better. The EBP line and sensor are known to get plugged with soot and give false readings.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 09:50 AM
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Yes, the EBP sensor is the most likely suspect. If that checks out OK, I would look into the 5 volt VREF signal at the MAP and see if it is correct.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 10:19 AM
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't boost calculated from the difference between MAP and EBP? Couldn't the problem be a biased EBP sensor and this is skewing the boost data processed by the PCM? I would connect the MAP sensor and try disconnecting the EBP sensor and see it if runs better. The EBP line and sensor are known to get plugged with soot and give false readings.
I believe you're right, but I'm noticing how the EBP would allow everything to work with a MAP reading of 14.7, but not the actual MAP reading. I'm thinking altitude may be at play here, so I wonder what the altitude is at the OP's location. If the EBP is reading high, this would put the 14.7 PSI within range, and a lower real MAP reading might just be out of range for the boost to work - confirming a bad EBP reading. If they live in Seattle, well... more questions will ensue.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 10:24 AM
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Thanks for the information we will check out the EBP and see if the is it. We live at sea level if that matters.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by woodnthings
Yes, the EBP sensor is the most likely suspect. If that checks out OK, I would look into the 5 volt VREF signal at the MAP and see if it is correct.
How would one go about testing the MAP, with no AE? Can the v signal be tested with a multimeter? and if so, how...thx
 
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 11:06 AM
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Take a look at the picture below. Just measure pin #1 and see if you are getting 5 volts DC.

The output will be lower depending on barometric pressure. That voltage changes with boost and that is what provides the signal to the PCM to what the sensor is seeing.

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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 12:27 PM
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Take a look at the picture below. Just measure pin #1 and see if you are getting 5 volts DC.

The output will be lower depending on barometric pressure. That voltage changes with boost and that is what provides the signal to the PCM to what the sensor is seeing.
Wouldn't they need the EBP sensor test point? I don't have the 2002 info, just that '99 info and it says something different (2000 book at home).
 
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 12:32 PM
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Once again, Ken comes through... Tugly, you aint far behind, you keep tweek'n with that AE..

Reason for ask'n, is because, Tugly, you found what my max psi is. I've been chasing low boost for a year, and that # you posted is EXACTLY what i'm get'n, according to my gauge.

Thanks guys.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 12:39 PM
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Once again, Ken comes through... Tugly, you aint far behind, you keep tweek'n with that AE..

Reason for ask'n, is because, Tugly, you found what my max psi is. I've been chasing low boost for a year, and that # you posted is EXACTLY what i'm get'n, according to my gauge.

Thanks guys.

14.7 PSI is with the engine off (about 5V). I'm confused timmyboy76, What are your readings/symptoms?
 
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 12:45 PM
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O...lol. My readings SUK. I've chaulked it up to it being the W.W. causing low boost. In other words, with redline disconnected, i can ONLY hit 15/16psi WOT. Maybe my trans has something to do with it..(zf6 wierd noise). Tried different turbos, ordered up a set of plenum boots from Clay, nothing helped, but those boots are bada$$. PSI seem to come on strong/sooner, with those things. Gotta save a few more pennies to finish the boot kit.
 
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Originally Posted by Tugly
Wouldn't they need the EBP sensor test point? I don't have the 2002 info, just that '99 info and it says something different (2000 book at home).
MAP is what was asked for.

Here are EBP Sensor pins.

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MAP is what was asked for.

Here are EBP Sensor pins.
You d' man!
 
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Old Apr 12, 2012 | 01:15 PM
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O...lol. My readings SUK. I've chaulked it up to it being the W.W. causing low boost. In other words, with redline disconnected, i can ONLY hit 15/16psi WOT. Maybe my trans has something to do with it..(zf6 wierd noise). Tried different turbos, ordered up a set of plenum boots from Clay, nothing helped, but those boots are bada$$. PSI seem to come on strong/sooner, with those things. Gotta save a few more pennies to finish the boot kit.
I'd look at your EBP as well. I had huge, honkin' exhaust leaks on everything between the block and the turbo, but I'm assuming you've checked that out already. I know somebody with whimpy power and their EBP reads way low (reduces fuel/air mix, which reduces boost), and there's another thread right now with the EBP reading 45 PSI with the engine off - this could open the EBPV. I am learning high or low EBP readings just whittle away at (or kill) the boost.
 
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