Can't argue with this! You guys that say its ok to be over weight are wrong. You hurt/kill someone cause your over weight...well ....you and your family have to live with it. How would you feel if someone else was over weight and took a member of your family? Accidents happen, and some can be avoided. Think about the liability.

Some of these 5er's are way to big for single axle pickups. They should have to go through dmv before they can be registered.

How safe would we be if every 18 wheeler was over weight? Limits are set for a reason.

 

Seems like a big trailer to only carry 2,000 lbs.

 

I am the first to say that factory ratings are usually conservative, and I choose to exceed them from time to time - but only after I understand and address the limitation.

What is the RAWR? Rear axle weigh rating?

With that much pin weight, I suspect you will be well over it.
Legal issues aside, what IS the limiting factor on the rear axle? My first guess would be tires. Or wheels. Failures of either of those is not pretty.
If you choose to go for it, make sure you upgrade tires, wheels, or whatever as needed.
And the only weight to know for sure is to use a scale.

 

RAWR is 6100lbs.

 

Did my previous estimate that you are still below the set up ratings fit you knowledge about your truck?
I don't think 2400 lb pin weight is going to be any issue, but main factor in accidents for such sets is fishtailing. The suspension on F250 is design with passengers comfort in mind, not with safety while hauling. Per my observation that doesn't change till you get to F550
So by all means get the tires with higher ratings, not necessary because of the load, but because stiffer sidewalls will stop the road ballet better. Same with airbags, who might not be needed for leveling with low pin weight, but will stiffen suspension movements.

 

That's great! You may be closer than I feared...
My guess is the published limit will be due to the tires. Check the sidewalls. If they are rated at 3050, you know not to exceed 6100 until you address them.

Now the last gulp.... The weights you listed. Are those the actual as delivered weights of the specific coach you bought, or the weights listed in the sales brochure (aka marketing LIES).

If the actual weights, you may be legal and comfortable. Just distribute weight wisely and hit the scales frequently.
As others mentioned, there are things you can do to improve the experience - better tires and air bags are two that come to mind immediately. In my book, air bags would be a gotta do with that much pin weight. They really makes the rig feel better and fixes the headlight aiming issues.

If the weights are the claimed dry weights, you need to get it on a scale to know where you're at.
For those unfamiliar with RV sales brochures, the numbers listed are "theoretical dry weights" and are always well below reality. Having the actual rig come in 10% higher is common, and 20% has been seen.
Start with a coach with published numbers near the published ratings of the truck and then add options, fuel, passengers, and cargo in the truck, and then options, propane, batteries, water, dishes, food, clothing, toys, linens, etc etc etc to the coach and you end up WAY over weight ratings in no time flat.

Talking to folks who actually weighed their loaded coaches revealed that at least 75% found them OVER the max rating the first time they weighed them! It is amazing how fast weight adds up.

 

Good point about dry weights and actual loaded for camping weights. Pin weights are ALWAYS based on dry weight, and run between 15% and 20% of the total weight.

For example:

2,320 ÷ 12,144 = 0.19 [A 19% pin weight when dry and empty.]

GVWR of 15,500 * .19 = 2,945 [A likely fully loaded pin weight]

Of course you may not load up to the GVWR. So you have to make a realistic estimate of that. It also depends on where tanks are located, how you load, etc.

 

Am I missing something here? Lot of members reported putting over 4000lb on their F250 just fine and that was high load like firewood.
Now here some are saying that 2400, or even 2900 lb low load on the pin is overload?

 

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Tires are Load Range E 1550Kg at 80 PSI (3417lbs). I assume that puts the tire load rating at 6834lbs.

I have been looking at other threads about the difference between a 250 and a 350. Most are saying it is just in the block between the frame and the springs and the 350 has 3 springs to the 250's 2 springs. I looked at my truck and it has 3 springs.

I am stuck with this trailer. I will make it work by loading properly and driving carefully. I pulled a travel trailer for 4 years with no issues. My driving record over the past 35 years is pretty good with 0 tickets during that time and 0 times being pulled over.

I am sure the trailer pin weight will be heavier than stated although the Heartland owners forum says that they are pretty accurate from their experience.

 

A good number of folks have suggested getting the actual weights. Until you do that, its all conjecture, IMHO.

Steve

 

Well here are the payload numbers from the Ford website. You have 3690 payload with the configuration you stated, and can tow 16,100. Just looks like you will be close on the weights when loaded. Not sure if I am reading this correctly, you should have plenty of room and the diesel will give you plenty of power.

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Your fine on weight. Tires would be my concern. As far as accidents and all the other comments like this the trailer is set up for braking and you are right at the weight. I tow heavier than this without any issues but I have added airbags, add a leaf and a much larger sway bar

 

I agree. We can speculate all we want, but until we know actual weights it's just that....speculation.

I'd really like to know how they calculate those figures. 3690 payload with 10,000 GVWR would assume an empty weight of 6310. People who have weighed their 2011+ trucks have come in with empty weights of over 8000, which would leave less than 2000 lbs before hitting GVWR.

 

Those numbers are copied and parsed straight from the Ford website spec page. I guess it depends how Ford weighed the truck to begin withh, how much fuel, weight of driver and so on. There also is no difference on which motor you choose, diesel or gas, they are both the same.

The F350 actually has 50 lbs less payload then the F250, according to the chart.