Can we just delete this 4.4 section?
#46
A baseless conspiracy theory, there is no such restriction. The real reason diesels from Europe typically aren't for sale here is both lack of demand for diesel cars as well as the differing emissions standards between us and Europe. The European emissions regulations are slightly less draconian than our own, and therefore the vast majority of diesels over there could not meet the requirements set by our EPA.
Anybody can cook up some baseless story and sell it as fact, but that doesn't make it correct.
Anybody can cook up some baseless story and sell it as fact, but that doesn't make it correct.
So don't tell anyone that the demand for a fuel efficient vehicle is not there. The motor industry is following the lead of the US Government by making alternative fueled vehicles and not going back to what they do best, make an efficient internal combustion engine, and in this case, a high milage small displacement diesel for passenger cars. The europeans have been using diesels for years. My daughter went to England last year for a wedding and rented a Mercedes SUV with a diesel. She was there for one week and turned it in and it had more than 1/2 tank left. $40 in diesel for one week driving in England, not bad I'd say.
Here is a pro/con article on small car diesels and the authors make the case that the reason the diesel is not accepted in the USA is because it is "dirty" like a trash truck, but the rebuttal from European manufacturers would make a F250 owner proud because of the perceived dirt that comes out of an older diesel.
Why Can't We Buy Small European Diesels in the U.S.?
This is from scientific american: Why European Diesel Cars Are Not Available in the U.S.: Scientific American
"Since the advent of the automobile age in the U.S., gasoline has been king of the road; today upwards of 95 percent of passenger cars and light trucks on American roads are gas-powered. And the federal government has done its part to keep it that way, taxing diesel at a rate about 25 percent higher than gasoline. A recent assessment by the American Petroleum Institute, an oil industry trade group, found that federal taxes accounted for 24.4 cents per gallon of diesel but only 18.4 cents per gallon of gasoline."
I rest my case.
#47
Originally Posted by Michaelangelo
I rest my case.
So don't tell anyone that the demand for a fuel efficient vehicle is not there. The motor industry is following the lead of the US Government by making alternative fueled vehicles and not going back to what they do best, make an efficient internal combustion engine, and in this case, a high milage small displacement diesel for passenger cars. The europeans have been using diesels for years.
So I'll say it again: There is no conspiracy to bring in more taxes by not permitting efficient engines. Which was the whole point of my previous post, and which you completely failed to address.
#48
Do you? You never said anything about the fuel tax conspiracy that I was disagreeing with!
Never did I say that the demand wasn't there. My point was that it's much more difficult to build and sell an efficient, cost effective diesel engine here than it is over there. It would take a significant amount of increased efficiency in order to justify the increased purchase price of a diesel engine, and with current emissions regulations that's a tough thing to do.
So I'll say it again: There is no conspiracy to bring in more taxes by not permitting efficient engines. Which was the whole point of my previous post, and which you completely failed to address.
Never did I say that the demand wasn't there. My point was that it's much more difficult to build and sell an efficient, cost effective diesel engine here than it is over there. It would take a significant amount of increased efficiency in order to justify the increased purchase price of a diesel engine, and with current emissions regulations that's a tough thing to do.
So I'll say it again: There is no conspiracy to bring in more taxes by not permitting efficient engines. Which was the whole point of my previous post, and which you completely failed to address.
Also you need to go back to see what you wrote about the demand: "for sale here is both lack of demand for diesel cars as well as the differing emissions standards between us and Europe".
And I agree with your statement about differing emission standards. But pure economics states that manufacturers create the demand not the consumer. If manufacturers don't make a product the consumer sure as hell can't.
#49
Originally Posted by Michaelangelo
And I agree with your statement about differing emission standards. But pure economics states that manufacturers create the demand not the consumer. If manufacturers don't make a product the consumer sure as hell can't.
There are lots of great ideas that are made every day that flop because there isn't a market for it. The Chevy Volt comes to mind. Hugely efficient vehicle in the eyes of most, but nobody wants one.
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#51
Its no wonder that anyone want to comment on this forum, with guys like you hanging on every word somebody writes. Its almost as bad as the F150 forum where everybody knows everything. Give it up and lighten up your comments.
#52
They are keeping up with demand just fine. If anything there is a glut of TDI Volkswagens up here.
#53
I have never heard of anyone having trouble finding a TDI VW. In fact I found a grand total of 95...yes 95...TDI Volkswagens in stock near me. These include model years 2012 and 2013 Golfs, Passats, and Jettas.
They are keeping up with demand just fine. If anything there is a glut of TDI Volkswagens up here.
They are keeping up with demand just fine. If anything there is a glut of TDI Volkswagens up here.
I give up. and your a sponsor of this forum? Take me off.
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the reason you have a hard time finding diesel cars in most parts of the US is because they simply do not sell. most people don't want diesels.
even the top of the line mercedes cars are mostly gas, because the diesels just sit in the dealerships collecting dust before they are practically given away.
even the top of the line mercedes cars are mostly gas, because the diesels just sit in the dealerships collecting dust before they are practically given away.
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#58
Ford brazil used an I6 6.4 liter in the SD's...
Other countries, apparently cummins engines were in SD's.
smaller engines, there was a 2.8 powerstroke, but was not like the 7.3 really.
There might be more, I dunno.
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#60
Emissions is probably the biggest reason. Add onto that the fuel efficiency of the new small displacement-direct injection-turbo gasoline engines vs the diesel's (fuel economy going up vs going down, respectively).
The argument of people not wanting a diesel car is invalid. The new TDI's are selling like hotcakes, even with the price premium of the diesel option, especially the JSW's (sportwagens).
The argument of people not wanting a diesel car is invalid. The new TDI's are selling like hotcakes, even with the price premium of the diesel option, especially the JSW's (sportwagens).