03' F250 Powerstroke 6.0 - Fuel filter?
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03' F250 Powerstroke 6.0 - Fuel filter?
I've read quite a bit of these forums over the last few months, and against lots and lots of advice not to, I went ahead and purchased a 6.0.
After 3 weeks, and 3 tanks of gas I picked up my daughter and went to drive out of a parking lot. As I crested the hill the truck stalled out. I immediately tried to turn it over and no luck. It cranked fine, but didn't appear to be getting gas. After several attempts I still didn't smell diesel or hear any change in the engine.
A friend said it could be filters, so I immediately went and replaced both filters. With the crankshaft plug/filter off I turned the key to see if gas would spew. Nothing. After replacing both filters, and putting the plugs back in tight it still wouldn't start.
Last night I read something about checking the fuse for the pump. So first thing this morning, I pulled the fuse, it looked fine so I replaced it. The truck started right up and ran for 5 minutes. After 5 minutes I turned it off, then tried again.. no go. It turns over but sounds like no gas is getting to it.
3 hours later I was told to put 5 gallons of diesel in the tank and put a new fuse into the fuel pump slot. After doing both it started again fine. Ran for 5 minutes then started to chug and shake like it wasn't getting enough gas. I shut it off and tried again. No luck.
The only other thing I have done in the last week was tie a bazooka tube ground into one of the black grounds that feeds into under the truck. (I really dont' think this is the issue but I'm going to move it now that I"m aware it could be the fuel pump ground).
After 3 weeks, and 3 tanks of gas I picked up my daughter and went to drive out of a parking lot. As I crested the hill the truck stalled out. I immediately tried to turn it over and no luck. It cranked fine, but didn't appear to be getting gas. After several attempts I still didn't smell diesel or hear any change in the engine.
A friend said it could be filters, so I immediately went and replaced both filters. With the crankshaft plug/filter off I turned the key to see if gas would spew. Nothing. After replacing both filters, and putting the plugs back in tight it still wouldn't start.
Last night I read something about checking the fuse for the pump. So first thing this morning, I pulled the fuse, it looked fine so I replaced it. The truck started right up and ran for 5 minutes. After 5 minutes I turned it off, then tried again.. no go. It turns over but sounds like no gas is getting to it.
3 hours later I was told to put 5 gallons of diesel in the tank and put a new fuse into the fuel pump slot. After doing both it started again fine. Ran for 5 minutes then started to chug and shake like it wasn't getting enough gas. I shut it off and tried again. No luck.
The only other thing I have done in the last week was tie a bazooka tube ground into one of the black grounds that feeds into under the truck. (I really dont' think this is the issue but I'm going to move it now that I"m aware it could be the fuel pump ground).
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Is the fuel pump fuse blowing? If so, you may have a bad fuel pump and it needs to be replaced. Or it may be bad wiring. Check the fuel pump connector for corrosion and signs of heat damage.
I don't see fuel filters blowing the fuse.
Just FYI, Motorcraft or Racor fuel and oil filters only, and make sure you have the OEM filter caps.
I don't see fuel filters blowing the fuse.
Just FYI, Motorcraft or Racor fuel and oil filters only, and make sure you have the OEM filter caps.
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You said that you replaced the fuse and it ran for awhile. Then you replaced it again and it ran for awhile. This isn't a coincidence.
There is a fuel pressure test port on the upper fuel filter bowl. You probably need to check fuel pressure. If you go down to the 6.0L Diesel forum and read the tech folder, there is a procedure for testing the output voltage of the FICM. The FICM bumps the 12V battery power up to 48V for the injectors. Low FICM voltage is a common problem and will cause some of the issues you have described.
There is a fuel pressure test port on the upper fuel filter bowl. You probably need to check fuel pressure. If you go down to the 6.0L Diesel forum and read the tech folder, there is a procedure for testing the output voltage of the FICM. The FICM bumps the 12V battery power up to 48V for the injectors. Low FICM voltage is a common problem and will cause some of the issues you have described.
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Just for the sake of discussion, have you check to see if there's any stored codes? May not be any, but never hurts to check before you start throwing parts at the truck.
You'll need a M12x1.5 fitting to thread into the test port of the secondary filter housing. May have to get an adapter since most gauges sold here in the states are 1/8" NPT.
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Thanks everyone for the advice so far. I've ordered some testing equipment in order to check the above suggestions. However today I thought I'd try to start the truck again..
Started.. let it idle for 15 minutes. Drove forward.. back.. forward... started blowing black smoke then stalled. It posted p0275 Cylinder #5 contribution balance. From the posts I'm seeing on this forum it looks like a bad injector.
I keep hearing/reading stories that if you get a good 6.0 it's rock solid, but if you have any issues.. it's better to get rid of it right away.
Thoughts?
Started.. let it idle for 15 minutes. Drove forward.. back.. forward... started blowing black smoke then stalled. It posted p0275 Cylinder #5 contribution balance. From the posts I'm seeing on this forum it looks like a bad injector.
I keep hearing/reading stories that if you get a good 6.0 it's rock solid, but if you have any issues.. it's better to get rid of it right away.
Thoughts?
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The fuel pressure gauge is highly recommended.
Usually if you sell something that isn't running well, you take a hit financially. MIght as well fix it IMO.
Could be that you are sucking air into the fuel system (usually a poorly installed primary fuel filter cap will cause this) or an injector is slowly leaking combustion gasses back into the fuel system. There is a video out on the "bubble test" that will show you if that is happening. I will look for the link.
A scangaugeII will help you troubleshoot. Look for the FICM parameters (MPower, VPower, FICM sync, etc)
Usually if you sell something that isn't running well, you take a hit financially. MIght as well fix it IMO.
Could be that you are sucking air into the fuel system (usually a poorly installed primary fuel filter cap will cause this) or an injector is slowly leaking combustion gasses back into the fuel system. There is a video out on the "bubble test" that will show you if that is happening. I will look for the link.
A scangaugeII will help you troubleshoot. Look for the FICM parameters (MPower, VPower, FICM sync, etc)
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INJECTOR BUBBLE TEST
6.0lit Powerstroke Fuel System Tests - YouTube
Remove the FICM relay and the fuel pump relay
Remove the upper fuel filter cap and the upper fuel filter
Crank engine and check for bubbles with a level of fuel in the filter bowl
If you see bubbles, remove the fuel inlet line to the passenger head (right side) and test by cranking again.
If the bubbles go away, the issue is an injector (or injectors) on the passenger side, if the bubbles remain, then the issue is on the drivers side
Reconnect the fuel line to the passenger head and proceed with removing glow plugs (one at a time) on the appropriate side to isolate the leak
Compression leak into the fuel can come from: Bad copper sealing washer, bad injector cup, insufficient torque on the injector hold down
6.0lit Powerstroke Fuel System Tests - YouTube
Remove the FICM relay and the fuel pump relay
Remove the upper fuel filter cap and the upper fuel filter
Crank engine and check for bubbles with a level of fuel in the filter bowl
If you see bubbles, remove the fuel inlet line to the passenger head (right side) and test by cranking again.
If the bubbles go away, the issue is an injector (or injectors) on the passenger side, if the bubbles remain, then the issue is on the drivers side
Reconnect the fuel line to the passenger head and proceed with removing glow plugs (one at a time) on the appropriate side to isolate the leak
Compression leak into the fuel can come from: Bad copper sealing washer, bad injector cup, insufficient torque on the injector hold down
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Thank you everyone for the input. I've passed along most of this information to the guy that sold me the truck and he's having someone try to correct the problem.
Today he drained the fuel tank and said it is really watery, almost as if I filled the tank with regular gas. I told him no I did not, however I guess I "could" have made a mistake but I vividly recall grabbing the diesel pump. Plus I drove the thing for 290 miles before it gave any indication something was wrong. He's now guessing perhaps bad gas?
I'm tempted to pay a tow truck to bring it to Santa Fe to a Ford dealership and have them plug it into their computer. Perhaps I'd save money in the long run by getting it properly diagnosed...
Today he drained the fuel tank and said it is really watery, almost as if I filled the tank with regular gas. I told him no I did not, however I guess I "could" have made a mistake but I vividly recall grabbing the diesel pump. Plus I drove the thing for 290 miles before it gave any indication something was wrong. He's now guessing perhaps bad gas?
I'm tempted to pay a tow truck to bring it to Santa Fe to a Ford dealership and have them plug it into their computer. Perhaps I'd save money in the long run by getting it properly diagnosed...
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Today he drained the fuel tank and said it is really watery, almost as if I filled the tank with regular gas. I told him no I did not, however I guess I "could" have made a mistake but I vividly recall grabbing the diesel pump. Plus I drove the thing for 290 miles before it gave any indication something was wrong. He's now guessing perhaps bad gas?
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Thank you everyone for the input. I've passed along most of this information to the guy that sold me the truck and he's having someone try to correct the problem.
Today he drained the fuel tank and said it is really watery, almost as if I filled the tank with regular gas. I told him no I did not, however I guess I "could" have made a mistake but I vividly recall grabbing the diesel pump. Plus I drove the thing for 290 miles before it gave any indication something was wrong. He's now guessing perhaps bad gas?
I'm tempted to pay a tow truck to bring it to Santa Fe to a Ford dealership and have them plug it into their computer. Perhaps I'd save money in the long run by getting it properly diagnosed...
Today he drained the fuel tank and said it is really watery, almost as if I filled the tank with regular gas. I told him no I did not, however I guess I "could" have made a mistake but I vividly recall grabbing the diesel pump. Plus I drove the thing for 290 miles before it gave any indication something was wrong. He's now guessing perhaps bad gas?
I'm tempted to pay a tow truck to bring it to Santa Fe to a Ford dealership and have them plug it into their computer. Perhaps I'd save money in the long run by getting it properly diagnosed...
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