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Old 02-04-2012, 03:57 PM
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Do I really need a v10 Super Duty?

With our new addition 2012 HD F150L 3.5L EB, rated to tow 11,300 lbs, I thought i would raise the question . Its always interesting to compare newer and older technology. The V10 will always be a low speed torque monster!!!
And you thought your V10 rev'd high

Green is stock EB truck at wheel
Red is 87 tune on a 2v V10 at wheel
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Mike that EB looks like it can do the job for lighter application for sure. I've been thinking near the end of the year to picking up a used F150 if the price is right. But keep v10 for pullig the 5th wheel.
 
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Thats what a properly designed forced induction system will do for you. Now lets see that same 2V V10 with the same amount of boost as the EB.
 
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Thats what a properly designed forced induction system will do for you. Now lets see that same 2V V10 with the same amount of boost as the EB.
X2 on that.. I would like to see Ford apply same technology to the 5.0 v8 and put in the SD.
 
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I was running the numbers last night, how ironic. My 00 has a GCWR of 17,000, max tow rating of 10,300. It's a crewcab, longbed, 4x4, 3.73. '12 F150 Crew with EB, 3.73s is rated 17,100 GCWR, 11,100 tow. So, it makes no sense for me to have the V10 if my intended usage is towing that amount, especially considering the EB gets better mpg at full capacity than most V10s empty. However, I simply can't afford one at this point, so I'm pleased with what I have.

I would love to see a setup like the EB V6 has on a V8 or the venerable V10 also.
 
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X2 on that.. I would like to see Ford apply same technology to the 5.0 v8 and put in the SD.
I dream of this configuration. But I think Ford would be poaching a lot of diesel sales. An EB 5.0 in the 500hp/500tq range would fill a lot of needs without the big price tag.
 
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I'm with kas83. It's all great but can barely afford the payments on the 01 V10 right now. I guess i could put the fuel money into a bigger payment but my credit is pretty dismal. Looking to drive the F250 till 2013 then seeing what my credit report looks like then.
 
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why does the green dyno run not start until well over 2K RPM ???

what year 2V V10 is that btw ?
 
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I was running the numbers last night, how ironic. My 00 has a GCWR of 17,000, max tow rating of 10,300. It's a crewcab, longbed, 4x4, 3.73. '12 F150 Crew with EB, 3.73s is rated 17,100 GCWR, 11,100 tow.
With 4.30s the conventional towing capacity goes up and the 5ver capacity goes up even more. I think a similarly equipped F-250 or F-350 with the 6.2l is still a better value than a EB 150. Even though Ford did some updates to the 150 chassis it still is not up to even the older SD chassis in weight hauling capacity IMO. Especially when you have a hefty pin weight. Ford has been upping the payload on the 150s to make them more viable though. The Screw 150s from a few years ago had a pathetic payload rating and a fairly low GVWR.
 
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I did finally grab a hold of this today and drug it around about 10 miles. Fairly positive about the pull.

 
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why does the green dyno run not start until well over 2K RPM ???

what year 2V V10 is that btw ?
Dang thing will not build boost until that rpm , i tried off idle and tires just spun on dyno rollers

2v is a 99 model
 
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Good comparison but what about the 2008 with the 3v heads and a tune?

From what I see the F150 with ecoboost gets about the same mileage loaded as my rig. I have way more capacity. The best GVWR is just over 8000 lbs (HD package) and is not available with the ecoboost!

I need at least 2000 lbs of payload between my hitch weight and family in a quad cab configuration.

Right now a F250/350 with the 6.2 is my best bet but with a configuration similar to what I have now would cost over $70k new.

For now I will stay with what I have:

2008 F350 crew cab with 6.8l for towing.
2005 Toyota 4Runner limited with 4.7 for daily driving (gets similar numbers to ecoboost).

If either dies then it's an ecoboost if the HD package is available or a F350 used with the 6.2....

I hope both vehicles survive for a bit longer!!! Or someone gives be a bit of cash in a will???
 
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If Ford had put the 3.5EB in the Econolines...
While I love the V10, MPG speaks big these days, sadly.
 
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Not to pick nits, but ...

It would be interesting to see what the graph of the EB would look like if it had to spin a Sterling 10.5", the driveshaft, and tranny, of a Superduty.

And clearly, "newer tech" should be compared to the 3-valve V10.

However, I too am fascinated by the EB and am seriously thinking about the F150 w/EB for an upgrade. Mileage on my V10 is killing me back and forth to work
 
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Well, I have both sitting in the garage. The first being the old Iron; A 2003 F250 Crew Cab Short Box 4x4 Sport V10 auto with a number of add on's and accessories. Performance wise the F250 has 4.56 gears, y-pipe, 285/75/R16s, with a recently rebuilt trany and heavy duty torque converter, and of course the 5-star tuner with the 87 octane tune, and the 89 & 91 octane towing tunes. The new one; A 2011 F150 Crew Cab Short Box Lariat 4x4 with 3.73s and of course the 6-speed auto, towing package, chrome package, front captins chairs, and lariat limited package.

The F150 in everyway is a nicer, better driving, better fuel economy, more nimble vehilce to drive; as it should be. When parked next to each other, the F250 still towers over it's newer little brother and simply drives and accelerates considerably heavier. When it comes to driving, both hold OD emty going uphill and into a stout headwind however the F150 is at 2000 RPMS in OD at 70 while the F250 is turning 2,400 or so however the F250 would do the same when it had the 3.73's. From a dead stop, the F250 even with limited slip and essentially 33" tires still barks em pretty good on dry hot pavement with no power braking or otherwise, drop the brake and stand on the gas. The Ecoboost is certainly a turbo engine, stand on it from a dead stop and it won't break em loose untill about 10-15 mph when the power really comes on and it won't break em loose on sticky pavement doing it this way. If you want to launch the F150, hold the brake down, spool the engine to about 1800 rpm, drop the brake and hammer on the gas and it'll light em up every time untill the traction control kicks in at 35 mph (Even when turned off). The F150 would destroy the old iron in a race.

When it comes to 4 wheeling, the F250 is where it's at, it's heavier, there's no overriding traction control (even when you do shut it off), it sits higher off the ground and the 33" tires certainly don't hurt. The F150 is fine but if I need to bust a trail through the snow down the county road the F250 will be the one doing the dirty work. Also, the intercooler on the F150 sits really low infront of the radiator and is pretty exposed, I'm still kind of concerned by this.

As far as towing goes, the little 3.5L is pretty impressive however the overall package of the F250 is simply better when pushing the weight limit. It's sprung heavier, has more heft which helps in the wind and handling the load, and is simply a bigger truck. No, it's certainly not as comfortable or economical however it's about choosing the right tool for the right job. If I was closer to being at or below 9k lbs for my towing weight, the F150 would be superb all around, The problem is when I'm loaded up for the lake I'm pushing 15k lbs and it's simply to much weight for a truck of 1/2 ton stature. I do agree with mike, turn the 5.0 into an eccoboost, put in the superduty, and let the games begin! Better yet, the 6.2 since I'm dreaming.
 

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