2500PSI, LOTS of smoke, no start, help w/ AE
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2500PSI, LOTS of smoke, no start, help w/ AE
Not your normal cold start problems...
Smokes like a steam train, Reads 2500 PSi and 35% duty cycle on AE while cranking. It should be around 500PSI? Right?
and won't start unless plugged in.
It puts out ALOTof smoke that smells like fuel while cranking.
It has a Stancor relay, and passed the glow plug test on AE
The barometric pressure is reading in the red at 4.5v cold engine, does not match with Exhaust backpressure, or Manifold Absolute pressure as I read somewhere that it should.
Throws codes
P0500
P0603
P1247
P1211
What now? Please help, my head is bleeding from beating against the wall...
Smokes like a steam train, Reads 2500 PSi and 35% duty cycle on AE while cranking. It should be around 500PSI? Right?
and won't start unless plugged in.
It puts out ALOTof smoke that smells like fuel while cranking.
It has a Stancor relay, and passed the glow plug test on AE
The barometric pressure is reading in the red at 4.5v cold engine, does not match with Exhaust backpressure, or Manifold Absolute pressure as I read somewhere that it should.
Throws codes
P0500
P0603
P1247
P1211
What now? Please help, my head is bleeding from beating against the wall...
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What glow plug test are you talking about?
Diesel- KOER, glow plug , it is grouped w/ the other tests
When it's plugged in, does it start more normally without excessive smoke?
Starts easier, with some smoke
Set AE to system voltage and turn the key on. Does the volts drop down to the 11.2-11.7 range?
Yes
My first thought is that your relay is not working properly.
New Stancor relay and it is switching.
Diesel- KOER, glow plug , it is grouped w/ the other tests
When it's plugged in, does it start more normally without excessive smoke?
Starts easier, with some smoke
Set AE to system voltage and turn the key on. Does the volts drop down to the 11.2-11.7 range?
Yes
My first thought is that your relay is not working properly.
New Stancor relay and it is switching.
I just got it to start, fuel pressure at 700 - 750PSI and it is smoking less.
10 minutes of idling and I'm at 550PSI and no smoke.
So what is casing the fuel pressure to go so high while cranking?
It acts like a flooded engine...
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I thought the glow plug system test was for the trucks that have the control module. I didn't know it also worked on standard relay arrangements as well....maybe somebody can help me out with that.
The high pressure oil will keep climbing while cranking until the engine finally fires. Sounds to me like the glow plugs aren't getting hot. Your volt readings appear to show a healthy draw but the symptoms you describe sounds like worn out glow plugs to me....especially since it starts better when plugged in and idles fine after it's warmed up.
Maybe someone else will have some other ideas.
The high pressure oil will keep climbing while cranking until the engine finally fires. Sounds to me like the glow plugs aren't getting hot. Your volt readings appear to show a healthy draw but the symptoms you describe sounds like worn out glow plugs to me....especially since it starts better when plugged in and idles fine after it's warmed up.
Maybe someone else will have some other ideas.
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The 700-750 PSI reading is the ICP and it appears that once it starts it is going into high idle which is normal at about 35° or less. After it warms up then high idle cancels and the ICP drops to normal idle ICP.
I agree with Greg that it doesn't appear that the glow plugs are heating up the combustion chambers. Do you have a GPCM or a GPR?
I agree with Greg that it doesn't appear that the glow plugs are heating up the combustion chambers. Do you have a GPCM or a GPR?
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The 700-750 PSI reading is the ICP and it appears that once it starts it is going into high idle which is normal at about 35° or less. After it warms up then high idle cancels and the ICP drops to normal idle ICP.
I agree with Greg that it doesn't appear that the glow plugs are heating up the combustion chambers. Do you have a GPCM or a GPR?
I have a GPR, it's a new Stancor. It seems like the draw on the batts are a good indication of the glow plugs working.
What about the Barometric pressure reading? If it's really high wouldn't that cause some problems? Where or what provides the barometric pressure reading?
After it warmed up and went for a long ride, I stopped and tried to start again, in the 3 seconds or less it took to fire up the pressure climbed to over 2,000 PSI
I agree with Greg that it doesn't appear that the glow plugs are heating up the combustion chambers. Do you have a GPCM or a GPR?
I have a GPR, it's a new Stancor. It seems like the draw on the batts are a good indication of the glow plugs working.
What about the Barometric pressure reading? If it's really high wouldn't that cause some problems? Where or what provides the barometric pressure reading?
After it warmed up and went for a long ride, I stopped and tried to start again, in the 3 seconds or less it took to fire up the pressure climbed to over 2,000 PSI
What am I missing?
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Thanks everyone!
Let me say again, I do have a GPR, and it is a new Stancor.
The truck has a 140K
I pulled the connector and OHMed the plugs.
I got 3 on each side with open circuits and 1 on each side with .000 resistance.
Both the .000 terminals were the second from the front on each side.
So I guess the AE glow plug test does not work with GPR's
I guess I need to pull the valve covers and check the harness?
Let me say again, I do have a GPR, and it is a new Stancor.
The truck has a 140K
I pulled the connector and OHMed the plugs.
I got 3 on each side with open circuits and 1 on each side with .000 resistance.
Both the .000 terminals were the second from the front on each side.
So I guess the AE glow plug test does not work with GPR's
I guess I need to pull the valve covers and check the harness?
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