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Old 10-29-2011, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by maverick22 View Post
In the immortal words of Clint Eastwood, "A man's got to know his limitations." In this case, his motor's limitations. If he's hauling a 24' stock trailer fully loaded w/ cattle, he could be pushing 20,000lbs. Don't get me wrong, I really like my 5.4 and it's got quite a bit more horses and torque than his 99 does - but in no way, shape, or form is that engine capable of pulling 20,000lbs for any sort of distance, regardless of the gears. Especially since he's used to pulling that load at 75mph. Throw any sort of terrain change in there and you're done.
There's a lot of 5.4ls out there that has proven your theroy here wrong. I know couple guys on these very boards that pull 10k trailers thru the hills. Doesn't have trouble making speed. What people don't understand is these module engines was designed to rev. I pulled 10k trailers w/ all three of my f150s with 5.4s. Granted I personaly don't want to travel like that. Now that I'm ruined by a PSD I think anybody is brain dead for doing anykind of regular towing w/ a gasser. But that in no way inplies that I believe that the engine isn't capable of doing it.
Gearing makes all the difference. Its simple leverage. If you can't turn it extend the handle.
Most don't haul trailers loaded down with show cattle around here. That damages animals. Generaly a few animals tops plus bedding and feed.
 
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Originally Posted by NWF150 View Post
I fully agree with maverick on this one, my 2000 150/ 7700 with the 5.4 and 3.73 did not like a 10,000 pound mini-ex on a 25 foot flat bed at all. Now coming home with it I pulled it with my brothers 1 ton with the 460 and wow what a big difference. I have never driven a V-10 but lots of people around here swear by them and when they sell them the are sure to get what they ask for them.

IF he is looking for a CC 250 with a 460 in it there is a 97 with 93,000 on it about 50 miles from me. they are asking 10,000 for it but I bought my 2000 from them for 3150 bucks less than asking because I payed CASH. Just saying.
Let's look at this for a second. 7700 lbs truck + 10k lbs cargo on a 6k-7k lbs trailer easy. That is very easy 25k lb gross. On a truck that only rated for a 10k gross. Aight though I've been guilty of haul insane. The 6.8l in the SD is suggested to start the rear gears at 430. I believe there was a time it started at 410. The 6.8l having 100 lbtq more than the 5.4 its clear that 3.73s is just a joke for the 5.4 pulling 25k.
After all this being said. You didn't mention how your truck complainded about the load. Did it want to rev? I would imagine it did. Its ok though that little engine was designed just for that. Hate to say it but that engine was designed to work harder than the truck it was in?
 
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Let's look at this for a second. 7700 lbs truck + 10k lbs cargo on a 6k-7k lbs trailer easy. That is very easy 25k lb gross. On a truck that only rated for a 10k gross. Aight though I've been guilty of haul insane. The 6.8l in the SD is suggested to start the rear gears at 430. I believe there was a time it started at 410. The 6.8l having 100 lbtq more than the 5.4 its clear that 3.73s is just a joke for the 5.4 pulling 25k.
After all this being said. You didn't mention how your truck complainded about the load. Did it want to rev? I would imagine it did. Its ok though that little engine was designed just for that. Hate to say it but that engine was designed to work harder than the truck it was in?
exiled, I understand what you are saying. That truck weighs around 5400 lbs and the trailer is 5300 and the mini is 10 so yes I was just under 21000 Total Gross. I had the truck all of 2 weeks when this trip was made. AT that time I had no idea what gears were in there, and yes that motor was reving like it should at normal speeds, unlike the OP was trying to maintain. The 150/7700 pkg is the same truck as the 250 with that body,they have the 7 lug wheels that were a joke. that was a light duty 250 or a heavy half if you want and it was fine for most things, just not pulling that much for very far with the set up that I had.
 
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Originally Posted by NWF150 View Post
exiled, I understand what you are saying. That truck weighs around 5400 lbs and the trailer is 5300 and the mini is 10 so yes I was just under 21000 Total Gross. I had the truck all of 2 weeks when this trip was made. AT that time I had no idea what gears were in there, and yes that motor was reving like it should at normal speeds, unlike the OP was trying to maintain. The 150/7700 pkg is the same truck as the 250 with that body,they have the 7 lug wheels that were a joke. that was a light duty 250 or a heavy half if you want and it was fine for most things, just not pulling that much for very far with the set up that I had.
Ford hasn't built a f150 like a SD ever. The op's 99 is an SD. My only point is that the 5.4 with proper gearing is enough. Its still a SD in all other respects. I was actually trying to be realistic. My honest opinion is to get the hell out of an area that gets colder than 15 degs. Lol.
The OP is talking about a $7500 option. Here in Al a 5.4 in a SD in 99 modle is $7500. Someone said eailier that SDs are cheap here. They are not. They lose very little value considering.
 
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Originally Posted by exiled View Post
There's a lot of 5.4ls out there that has proven your theroy here wrong. I know couple guys on these very boards that pull 10k trailers thru the hills. Doesn't have trouble making speed. What people don't understand is these module engines was designed to rev. I pulled 10k trailers w/ all three of my f150s with 5.4s. Granted I personaly don't want to travel like that. Now that I'm ruined by a PSD I think anybody is brain dead for doing anykind of regular towing w/ a gasser. But that in no way inplies that I believe that the engine isn't capable of doing it.
Gearing makes all the difference. Its simple leverage. If you can't turn it extend the handle.
Most don't haul trailers loaded down with show cattle around here. That damages animals. Generaly a few animals tops plus bedding and feed.
Dude, when did I say anything about not being able to pull 10,000lbs? When I quoted the 20,000 lbs, I didn't realize he was hauling show cattle, I'm fully aware of what loaded stock trailers weigh and you're right, you don't typically haul show cattle like market cattle. A 5.4 is fully capable of pulling 10,000lbs, though you're not going to run very fast over any big terrain changes. But I maintain that one is not capable of pulling 20,000lbs w/ any gearing capable of any sort of highway speed. Besides, the OP already stated he's used to pulling the load w/ a diesel at 75mph, he's not going to do that w/ a 5.4. It really is that simple.

I'm a big supporter of the 5.4, in case you missed it I've got one and really like it. I'm the first to stand up for it when anyone says you need a diesel or v10 to pull anything and they shouldn't have ever put a 5.4 in these trucks. But like I said, you've got to know your limitations and like it or not, a 5.4 does have limitations.
 
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Well I'm a die hard ford guy I currently own 4 super dutys, a 2010 auto 6.4, a 2005 auto 6.0, 1999 6 speed 7.3, and a 1999 5 speed 5.4. I can't say enough good things about my diesels, but this 5.4 is killing me. The only reason I bought a gas engine is so I can always count on it to start when it gets really cold. Well it will do that, but it has zero power and the tranny feels terrible. So in what direction should I go to replace it? I need something that starts when its -15, has enough power to pull a 24 ft cattle trailer at 75 mph, and under 7500 bucks. Looking at my options I can't see a ford diesel because the 7.3's are just cold blooded, and 6.0's and 6.4's are out of my price range. I don't want another 5.4, but what about the 6.8 v10. The only other ford option I really have is a 460 and after than I'm looking at either a dodge 12 valve cummins, chevy 454, or chevy 350. Enough with the let's hear some opinions.
get a 3v and boost it.
 
 
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