Engine Question:(T444E vs. Powerstroke)
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Engine Question:(T444E vs. Powerstroke)
Ok, I *MIGHT* have the opportunity to pick up a cheap International T444E (NOT Powerstroke) engine. It's a 96 with 88k.
SO my thinking.... could I use the block as a donor for forged rods, and put my heads/etc on it?
Is there any incompatibilities? I can't look at it, but I will be out that way in another month.
Thoughts?
SO my thinking.... could I use the block as a donor for forged rods, and put my heads/etc on it?
Is there any incompatibilities? I can't look at it, but I will be out that way in another month.
Thoughts?
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Both engines feature the same specifications; the long blocks are exactly the same between both engines. The 7.3L is simply a T444E in Power Stroke trim.
That's what I thought, but I wanted to be sure. Thanks again!
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At the heart of the motor though will be the same, front cover, turbo I'm pretty sure are different.
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It's just a thought. If I can get a forged block for a couple bills.... all the better!
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I think the long blocks are identical for the given year but '96 engines are different then '01 engines. Cranks are different, oil pickup tubes on the other side, front cover etc.
Can you get the engine serial number?
Can you get the engine serial number?
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It still will probably work fine, you would likely have to use the crank that came with it. You'll want to reuse some stuff from your existing engine. The serial number should be stamped near the oil filter housing. I will try and send you a document that talks about the differences between the various builds.
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Ok, I *MIGHT* have the opportunity to pick up a cheap International T444E (NOT Powerstroke) engine. It's a 96 with 88k.
SO my thinking.... could I use the block as a donor for forged rods, and put my heads/etc on it?
Is there any incompatibilities? I can't look at it, but I will be out that way in another month.
Thoughts?
SO my thinking.... could I use the block as a donor for forged rods, and put my heads/etc on it?
Is there any incompatibilities? I can't look at it, but I will be out that way in another month.
Thoughts?
I would assume that all International engines have the F650/750 camshafts so you probably want to confirm that for sure. The valve timing is quite different so it's something important to check.
Hope this helps.
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Ok, I *MIGHT* have the opportunity to pick up a cheap International T444E (NOT Powerstroke) engine. It's a 96 with 88k.
SO my thinking.... could I use the block as a donor for forged rods, and put my heads/etc on it?
Is there any incompatibilities? I can't look at it, but I will be out that way in another month.
Thoughts?
SO my thinking.... could I use the block as a donor for forged rods, and put my heads/etc on it?
Is there any incompatibilities? I can't look at it, but I will be out that way in another month.
Thoughts?
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The '96 is a nonTubo engine. Be very careful as to what you switch out. I have a '91 full shop manuel for that year, gasser and 7.3 Desiel. Nothing seems to match up for my 7.3 2001. So I NEVER use that manuel when working on my 2001 truck. Myself, I would think twice about trusting anything on it.
How would a newer T444E fare? What years should I look for? Like I said, If I could pick up a forged block cheap, THAT'S the goal. Not doing anything any time soon. Just a "in the future" kinda thing.
Looks like it's sold, anyway. Oh well. I'll still keep my eyes open, anyway.
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Are you sure about that? Our fleet log shows two trucks from the 1996 model year. They are listed as 4700 T444E trucks. I think the "T" means turbo but I suppose I could be mistaken. Unfortunately both of these trucks operate out of other branches so I can't visually inspect them to confirm. 
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Are you sure about that? Our fleet log shows two trucks from the 1996 model year. They are listed as 4700 T444E trucks. I think the "T" means turbo but I suppose I could be mistaken. Unfortunately both of these trucks operate out of other branches so I can't visually inspect them to confirm.
. What I do know For Sure.... is that my 1991 Ford Truck Shop Manuel has every engine that Ford put in their trucks for THAT year. It had the 7.3 SIZE diesel, with ALL the information on it. That year of 1991 is not Tuboed by My Manuels. Remember, the 'Family' of engine that we run is from 1999 to 2003.....
Looking on the Forum list Pre 1994.5 is Pre PowerStroke with a range of 1994.5 to 1997 of the 7.3 Powerstrke with a gap of 1997to 1999.
I would suggest going to the 1994.5 to 1997 and ask them what they also think would be able to be transferable.
Bottom line, get all the info you can before you start changing out parts.