EXHAUST MANIFOLD HEADACHE? OR POSSIBLE
#46
I have seen studs broken and not leaking enough the cause a noise and some do, I would put the truck on stands, remove the wheel and well and run the engine and listen, even with a hose to my ear and put it all around, on the flange, all the ports and verify that it is the top of port 4 that causing it, looking for soot marks from a leak
#51
When buying a used vehicle, you can always expect to have a list of things that need fixing no matter what the seller tells you. I would pull the whole manifold as described above, remove all the studs and replace them with stainless steel bolts and locks.
You can find a set of these at most hardware stores:
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You can find a set of these at most hardware stores:
Amazon.com: Vermont American 13484 5 Piece Left-Handed Extractor Drill Bit Set: Home Improvement
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#54
If the magnet sticks it does not mean they are ferrous, nickel is also highly magnetic and a higher nickel content makes a stronger fastener.
Try to get a stainless that has a high carbon content, they are stronger. Some stainless might be corrosion resistant, but will weaken when heated and will tend to shear and snap from repeated heat cycles. Also try to make the nuts you use a different type of stainless than the studs. Otherwise they will contact weld to each other, making future removal impossible. A good rule would be to use a 300 series stud and a 400 series nut, or visa versa.
Try to get a stainless that has a high carbon content, they are stronger. Some stainless might be corrosion resistant, but will weaken when heated and will tend to shear and snap from repeated heat cycles. Also try to make the nuts you use a different type of stainless than the studs. Otherwise they will contact weld to each other, making future removal impossible. A good rule would be to use a 300 series stud and a 400 series nut, or visa versa.
#55
I had problems welding onto the stud with MIG or stick. I tried just about every rod I could find and all I could do was melt the stud; nothing would stick to it. I didn't have TIG available and think that it may have worked; who knows.
The carbide tipped bits and masonry bits I had couldn't touch the studs either.
The cam type stud removers (I got mine a Advance, the one I got from Sears sucked out loud) are great as long as you have enough space to have it rotate around the stud.
The right side is easy because there is relatively lots of space. The left side not so much. The ABS, steering column and oil dipstick (which can come out but mine was stuck tight) is in the way. I couldn't get three of the studs out so I took the head off and had the studs machined out.
All looks good though; quite a bit of fiddling for a few dollar studs though.
Good Luck
The carbide tipped bits and masonry bits I had couldn't touch the studs either.
The cam type stud removers (I got mine a Advance, the one I got from Sears sucked out loud) are great as long as you have enough space to have it rotate around the stud.
The right side is easy because there is relatively lots of space. The left side not so much. The ABS, steering column and oil dipstick (which can come out but mine was stuck tight) is in the way. I couldn't get three of the studs out so I took the head off and had the studs machined out.
All looks good though; quite a bit of fiddling for a few dollar studs though.
Good Luck
Well thats a pickle, of course the right way would be to remove the manifold and drill it or weld a bolt to it, but if you dont want to do that and just looking to tighten up that top port ,if that is where your only leak is, and dont care much about the other studs and the longevity of the truck thats another issue
If it were me I would get the right drill bit and and a drill that will fit in there straight, mark the drill bit with yellow paint marker or bright tape or something and measure the depth of the manifold and about 1/2 inch more into the head,and mark the bit,so you know where to stop and drill the stud , tap it and run a bolt into it, the hole in the manifold is slightly bigger than the stud so just get a bit the size of the stud and drill with caution , thats what I would do anyways if I was in that spot
If it were me I would get the right drill bit and and a drill that will fit in there straight, mark the drill bit with yellow paint marker or bright tape or something and measure the depth of the manifold and about 1/2 inch more into the head,and mark the bit,so you know where to stop and drill the stud , tap it and run a bolt into it, the hole in the manifold is slightly bigger than the stud so just get a bit the size of the stud and drill with caution , thats what I would do anyways if I was in that spot
#56
I did one of our trucks a couple of years ago. Since the studs don't bottom out in the head, there's no torque factor to deal with, except just breaking them loose. I found that a simple miniature pipe wrench from the hardware store worked as well as anything. Just get a good bite with the wrench, then give it a rap or two with a hammer, or if space is a problem, the end of a pc. of pipe with a cap on it. I did heat a couple with a swirl tip propane torch. The rest were just soaked with PB Blaster. The wrench is about 9-10" long.
I did have one corroded off nearly to the head flange. Cobalt high speed bits, starting with about 3/32", then larger with 2-3 others, up to about 3/16"., then an easy out ( start the easy out with your fingers first, tap a few times with a small hammer, then put the tap wrench handle on.
Dave
I did have one corroded off nearly to the head flange. Cobalt high speed bits, starting with about 3/32", then larger with 2-3 others, up to about 3/16"., then an easy out ( start the easy out with your fingers first, tap a few times with a small hammer, then put the tap wrench handle on.
Dave
#57
Wow, I just looked, or I should say, tried to look at mine! Those things are hard to see!! How in the world are y'all even getting access to the studs? Looks like to me the battery, and a bunch of other stuff has to be removed.
Oh for the days of in-line 6 cylinders...
Oh for the days of in-line 6 cylinders...
Last edited by GuyGene; 03-08-2012 at 02:19 PM. Reason: Uh, to edit.
#58
Nah, just take the inner fenders out and go in at the wheel well. The right side is easy to get to the left has some stuff in the way of a couple of the studs. If it were me and my studs were looking fine; I'd change em just because. It'd be much easier to change em out if there were still some of them left. Just sayin
#59
I didn't mean to use the wrench first. That's for remaining studs after the manifold is off. Through the wheel well is the only practical way to do the job anyway. Cut grind or split the nuts off, or once in a while you can drive a hex socket on and actually use a ratchet. Once the manifold is out of the way, that's when I use the pipe wrench on a studs still hanging out of the head. Drill the flush studs starting with a small cobalt, and gradually increase the size up to around 3/16", then an easy out.
Dave
Dave
#60
I wished I would have thought of cobalt bits. Certainly carbide tipped don't work. Oh well, live and learn - or live and learn then forget.
I didn't mean to use the wrench first. That's for remaining studs after the manifold is off. Through the wheel well is the only practical way to do the job anyway. Cut grind or split the nuts off, or once in a while you can drive a hex socket on and actually use a ratchet. Once the manifold is out of the way, that's when I use the pipe wrench on a studs still hanging out of the head. Drill the flush studs starting with a small cobalt, and gradually increase the size up to around 3/16", then an easy out.
Dave
Dave