I bet Neil secretly uses it

 

Reps sent Nate. Very nice.

 

He said he couldn't wait to try it out.






























on ebay.

 

good post nate.i agree it should be stickied.
reps sent

 

X2 -- Very comprehensible chip information

 

Okay. Jody emailed me back saying that anyone can flash the F8 tuner, but the F8 is copy protected, so you cannot pull the flashed tunes off of it and steal other tuners work.

So, with the F8, you can change tuners if you want, but the next tuner cannot steal the previous tuners work.

I like that.

 

FYI, the chips that DP-Tuner puts their tunes on are Moates chips. Most every other tuner for the PSD out there uses TS-Perfomance style chips. For anyone wondering.. Just a bit of possibly useless information. LOL

 

Oh dear God.

 

I love the old man on pawn stars.

 

What about Superchips? My father-in-law is talking about getting a Superchips for his '99, but I think he should just get a TS style chip. What can you guys tell me about them to back me up?

Besides, if this is going to be a sticky, then lets cover everything.

 

The super chips were kinda the way to go for a while, but its a plug in like a TS chip, but the tunes on them are just no where near what you can get from the other custom tuners.

I've seen posts about high EGT's with them as well.

Some people here have ran them with good results, but the chip doesn't hold a candle to a good tuner.


The best way to explain a TS/F8 style chip to any other chip is that any out of the box store shelf style solution is just a catch all thrown together style setup.
The custom tunes have been improved upon and improved upon thus giving you the best results, while these other programmers or chips are, and I'm speculating here, most likely tunes from a few years ago that somebody threw together.
Like I said, they are a catch all style tune and not necessarily the best they could be for what we are driving.

Custom tunes can be dialed in directly for the results you want from your tuner, shift points, gearing, stickshift/auto and all these different sort of things as well as fuel economy and power.

Any steel worker or blacksmith generally ends up making a lot of their own tools after a while. Why? Because they are making tools to fit the job that out of the box tools cannot do. Same goes for chips, out of the box chips/programmers will work, but they are not necessarily the best tool for the job.

I hope I didn't muck that all up and make it sound bad.

 

This thread say it all for me ...

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/7...ogramming.html

There is some speculation that problems with the "EDGE" is only on Cali trucks, but don't know for sure.

 

Anything that re-flashes our PCM is a bad idea in my book.

It seems to be okay on the dodges with the smarties however. Different style all around though.

 

So basicly the Superchips doesn't have the same issue as an Edge because it doesn't reprogram the PCM, but the tunes aren't as good as a TS style chip with custom tuning, right?

 

You can get superchip programer and chips. I had the 1705 programer fir awhile with no problems