Motorcraft Super Duty 15w-40 UOA results
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Motorcraft Super Duty 15w-40 UOA results
Well, after years of using nothing but Rotella T, I decided to give Motorcraft oil a try. No particular reason other than it's less expensive at Walmart and comes in a more convenient 5 qt jug (so I only have to buy 3 for each change...). So far to date I have not ever had to add any oil between changes so that extra qt left over while using Rotella has been the odd man out.
From what I can tell, the Motorcraft performs about (or almost exactly) the same as Rotella T. I noticed the viscosity is a bit lower with this last batch but it's also been a very hot summer and I did have two hard pulls with a 16.5k lb trailer on this oil (about 1500 miles towing) so I think everything balances out ok.
I would like to ask for some info from anyone who has been sending their oil out for analysis. This would really help me with some potentially planned purchases/upgrades that I am pondering....
For those with A.I.S.: What sort of silicon numbers have you been seeing in PPM and how long between oil changes?
For those with a Lube Oil Bypass System: What sort of soot % are you seeing and how long between oil changes?
Appreciate the responses.
UOA attached (2 pages)....
From what I can tell, the Motorcraft performs about (or almost exactly) the same as Rotella T. I noticed the viscosity is a bit lower with this last batch but it's also been a very hot summer and I did have two hard pulls with a 16.5k lb trailer on this oil (about 1500 miles towing) so I think everything balances out ok.
I would like to ask for some info from anyone who has been sending their oil out for analysis. This would really help me with some potentially planned purchases/upgrades that I am pondering....
For those with A.I.S.: What sort of silicon numbers have you been seeing in PPM and how long between oil changes?
For those with a Lube Oil Bypass System: What sort of soot % are you seeing and how long between oil changes?
Appreciate the responses.
UOA attached (2 pages)....
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I have been using the Motorcraft oil as well. It does provide different results when testing with analysis. I have also installed a by-pass filter on mine ( after these results ). Truck now has about 3k on the oil and appears to be mostly clear with just a little dark tinge to it. Far better than running It without the by-pass system.
Here are my results between Delo and Motorcraft
Here are my results between Delo and Motorcraft
#3
Thanks Ken,
Is that a Blackstone report? Looks like they don't check soot levels? I wonder how important that is?
I read a paper that talked about soot and it makes it sound like it could be a problem in elevated quantities. I also read that oil bypass systems can substantially lower (or even eliminate) soot so I am curious to see some oil sample reports from engines with the bypass filters to see how effective they might be in controlling soot. I've looked at our fleet reports and the soot levels are about the same as what I am seeing but those engines are different so I'm not comparing apples to apples at the moment...
Is that a Blackstone report? Looks like they don't check soot levels? I wonder how important that is?
I read a paper that talked about soot and it makes it sound like it could be a problem in elevated quantities. I also read that oil bypass systems can substantially lower (or even eliminate) soot so I am curious to see some oil sample reports from engines with the bypass filters to see how effective they might be in controlling soot. I've looked at our fleet reports and the soot levels are about the same as what I am seeing but those engines are different so I'm not comparing apples to apples at the moment...
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Yeah, that is a Blackstone report. I am thinking insolubles is what yours calls soot.
I have been impressed with the filtration difference in my by-pass, just by looks.
I should have looked you up when I was in Mesa recently. Spent a week down there testing and airplane out. We stayed at a hotel by The Bass Pro Shops store.
I have been impressed with the filtration difference in my by-pass, just by looks.
I should have looked you up when I was in Mesa recently. Spent a week down there testing and airplane out. We stayed at a hotel by The Bass Pro Shops store.
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Thanks Ken,
Is that a Blackstone report? Looks like they don't check soot levels? I wonder how important that is?
I read a paper that talked about soot and it makes it sound like it could be a problem in elevated quantities. I also read that oil bypass systems can substantially lower (or even eliminate) soot so I am curious to see some oil sample reports from engines with the bypass filters to see how effective they might be in controlling soot. I've looked at our fleet reports and the soot levels are about the same as what I am seeing but those engines are different so I'm not comparing apples to apples at the moment...
Is that a Blackstone report? Looks like they don't check soot levels? I wonder how important that is?
I read a paper that talked about soot and it makes it sound like it could be a problem in elevated quantities. I also read that oil bypass systems can substantially lower (or even eliminate) soot so I am curious to see some oil sample reports from engines with the bypass filters to see how effective they might be in controlling soot. I've looked at our fleet reports and the soot levels are about the same as what I am seeing but those engines are different so I'm not comparing apples to apples at the moment...
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Yeah, that is a Blackstone report. I am thinking insolubles is what yours calls soot.
I have been impressed with the filtration difference in my by-pass, just by looks.
I should have looked you up when I was in Mesa recently. Spent a week down there testing and airplane out. We stayed at a hotel by The Bass Pro Shops store.
I have been impressed with the filtration difference in my by-pass, just by looks.
I should have looked you up when I was in Mesa recently. Spent a week down there testing and airplane out. We stayed at a hotel by The Bass Pro Shops store.
I believe a lube oil bypass system is in my future...
No bypass can eliminate soot, the vast majority of it is sub-1 micron and so long as it doesn't agglomerate, it isn't the biggest thing to freak out about. That being said a good bypass will filter the soot that does agglomerate into 2-3micron plus size out of the oil. You mentioned plugging a 16.5k trailer and in the summer that will cause the HPOP to work harder and put a bit more soot in the oil. All in all I have never heard anything bad about the MC oil. It will be interesting to see what Ford does now ConcoPhilips is no longer one company.
The only thing I noticed different with the MC oil was that my engine appeared to be noisier (more diesel cackle sound...) Seemed quieter on the Rotella but then again it was during the summer. I am sure that ambient temp makes a difference in how these engines sound so I'll stick with the MC for the rest of the year or perhaps even longer.
Did you happen to notice the new test item on my latest lab report called "PQ Index"? I called up ALS and they said it was something new they were offering in their package. They call it Particle Quantifier Index and it has something do do with the size of particles in the oil sample and how that is a good double check against the spectroscopically derived readings.
Have you ever heard of PQ index before? This was a new one for me.
Here is a link to the ALS site where they talk about it in more detail (bottom of sheet)
ALS Tribology | Tribology Laboratory Testing | Wear Debris Analysis
I will also attach a paper from a different source that explains PQ Index more specifically and gives an example of how the reading is useful when analyzing the entire batch of results.
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Still, maybe a A.I.S. would be nice. I don't really like how the factory airbox lid is only secured by two clamps. Looks like the A.I.S. has 4 clamps, correct?
(I wonder if I can find a way to add some more clamps to my factory box...)
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Thanks Robin. So, my K&N isn't doing too bad with PPM in the 5-7 range and almost 6k intervals....
Still, maybe a A.I.S. would be nice. I don't really like how the factory airbox lid is only secured by two clamps. Looks like the A.I.S. has 4 clamps, correct?
(I wonder if I can find a way to add some more clamps to my factory box...)
Still, maybe a A.I.S. would be nice. I don't really like how the factory airbox lid is only secured by two clamps. Looks like the A.I.S. has 4 clamps, correct?
(I wonder if I can find a way to add some more clamps to my factory box...)
#12
Greg,
If you go with an AIS consider adding a fender sleeve as an additional inlet. I went this route.
Puredieselpower Fender Sleeve
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DIY sleeve would be easy if you have access to the foam.
If you go with an AIS consider adding a fender sleeve as an additional inlet. I went this route.
Puredieselpower Fender Sleeve
Install Instructions
DIY sleeve would be easy if you have access to the foam.
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