Help me think through Onboard Air
#1
Help me think through Onboard Air
I have a 2002 super duty. I have the Firestone Ride Rite 2330 kit that I am getting ready to install. I would like to also add in the Air Lift 72000 wireless kit. I have some questions on the compressor that the Air Lift kit comes with. Does anyone know the specs on it? I would also like to add an air tank while I install all this mess. In reality I will use the compressor to inflate my air bags, low tires, and all the kids stuff that needs inflating while we are camping. I tend to think it will be plenty of compressor. Am I correct?
As far as adding a tank to the kit...can I just add it between the compressor and manifold on page 6 of this diagram? I would have the compressor wired in with a on/off pressure switch.
http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/manual...-681_72000.pdf
Thanks for any help. I really only want to do this once. Trying to get all my T's dotted and I's crossed.
As far as adding a tank to the kit...can I just add it between the compressor and manifold on page 6 of this diagram? I would have the compressor wired in with a on/off pressure switch.
http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/manual...-681_72000.pdf
Thanks for any help. I really only want to do this once. Trying to get all my T's dotted and I's crossed.
#2
I don't know the specs for that pump, but i can almost gaurantee you that the compressor is only sufficient for inflating the airbags, NOT for filling a tank.
Airbags are very low volume, so you can use a very light duty compressor. For inflating toys and especially tires you will need a compressor rated for a higher duty cycle. I have used viair compressors for these applications back when i did the "jeep thing":
VIAIR Corporation - Onboard Air Systems
With one of those kits and some clever wiring, you can have everything you want in an air system. (i recommend hooking up some horns maybe even a K5LA )
Airbags are very low volume, so you can use a very light duty compressor. For inflating toys and especially tires you will need a compressor rated for a higher duty cycle. I have used viair compressors for these applications back when i did the "jeep thing":
VIAIR Corporation - Onboard Air Systems
With one of those kits and some clever wiring, you can have everything you want in an air system. (i recommend hooking up some horns maybe even a K5LA )
#3
VIAIR Corporation - Onboard Air Systems
With one of those kits and some clever wiring, you can have everything you want in an air system. (i recommend hooking up some horns maybe even a K5LA )
Keep the ideas coming. I'm all ears.
#4
How much are you into fabbing up your own stuff versus "bolt in" kits?
I was in the exact same boat as you a couple months ago. The unfortunate reality is the compressors in the airbag kits are very low capacity - kinda like those $10 rattle boxes you get at discount auto parts stores. Fine for filling the low volume air bags. NOT for filling tanks. 15 minutes to add 10 psi to a truck tire....
I ended up piecing together my own system. A couple of these compressors (rated at 2.5 cfm each):
Amazon.com: Q Industries MV50 SuperFlow Hi-Volume Air Compressor: Automotive
to fill a 5 gallon air tank:
VIAIR Corporation - 5.0 Gallon Air Tank Part No. 91050
And then pieced together the air bag controller using manual pneumatic valves:
Gauges & Switches for Air Suspension Systems - Arnott Air Suspension Systems
along with air pressure gauges, air line, push-to-connect fittings, brass fittings to allow air tools and tire inflation hoses to be connected, switches, relays, a box to mount compressors under truck, etc etc etc.
Final cost was probably closer to 5 or 600 and took a couple weekends to piece together, but it has 10X the capabilities of the air bag kit. Airing up bags takes seconds, as does airing down. I aired up all four of my big tires after an off road adventure from 20 to 50 psi in something around 10 minutes. And everybody in camp was loving the air to top off motorcycle tires.
I was in the exact same boat as you a couple months ago. The unfortunate reality is the compressors in the airbag kits are very low capacity - kinda like those $10 rattle boxes you get at discount auto parts stores. Fine for filling the low volume air bags. NOT for filling tanks. 15 minutes to add 10 psi to a truck tire....
I ended up piecing together my own system. A couple of these compressors (rated at 2.5 cfm each):
Amazon.com: Q Industries MV50 SuperFlow Hi-Volume Air Compressor: Automotive
to fill a 5 gallon air tank:
VIAIR Corporation - 5.0 Gallon Air Tank Part No. 91050
And then pieced together the air bag controller using manual pneumatic valves:
Gauges & Switches for Air Suspension Systems - Arnott Air Suspension Systems
along with air pressure gauges, air line, push-to-connect fittings, brass fittings to allow air tools and tire inflation hoses to be connected, switches, relays, a box to mount compressors under truck, etc etc etc.
Final cost was probably closer to 5 or 600 and took a couple weekends to piece together, but it has 10X the capabilities of the air bag kit. Airing up bags takes seconds, as does airing down. I aired up all four of my big tires after an off road adventure from 20 to 50 psi in something around 10 minutes. And everybody in camp was loving the air to top off motorcycle tires.
#5
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I run two compressors. I have Firestone RideRites and they have their own little compressor that came with the kit. Small, reliable, and I can easily fine tune the bag pressure. This system has been rock solid for 7 years now.
I also run a ViAir 480C(huge), and a 3 gal tank for my horns, air tools, filling tires, etc. I run the tank to 200PSI.
If I tried to fill the bags with the tank without a regulator, I'd blow them up with a blip of the switch. If this system has a problem of any kind, the bags aren't affected. They're completely separate. That's worth it for me, and I'll do it the same way when I do it again.
#6
Nice photo's, William! My setup is very similar, but my air tank is on passenger side under the bed, between the frame and fender. Completely invisible. The compressors are in a steel box (with fan) behind the transfer case to shield from rocks and water.
BTW, the little pneumatic switches I installed have built in flow limiters that do a fine job of limiting flow to bags to allow precise filling. Not sure if they would handle 200 psi though.... I limit my system to 120 psi as that allowed usage of much less expensive components. Going over 150 psi would have added to cost.
BTW, the little pneumatic switches I installed have built in flow limiters that do a fine job of limiting flow to bags to allow precise filling. Not sure if they would handle 200 psi though.... I limit my system to 120 psi as that allowed usage of much less expensive components. Going over 150 psi would have added to cost.
#7
Depends on just how much money you want to put into this and whether or not waiting for air is important. Here's my 2 cents................since you have a 7.3 the best option would be to find an edc. The older York styles used to be on old Fords and Volvos as A/C compressors and can be mounted to your 7.3 with a little ingenuity and will provide the cheapest large volume of air you could ever find, they can be found at most junk yards for around $50. Do some research on the tails of the shafts before you go looking at the junk yard.
My second choice is what I have done on my 6.0 since I have dual alternators putting in an EDC is out of the question so I went with an Oasis 4000 and a 3rd battery with an auto isolator. Oasis was expensive and has been well used since I installed the system so I can vouch for the quality. Here's some pics of my setup. But I really suggest you forget the tiny electric ones and go with an EDC.
Oasis 4000
Auto isolator
3rd battery (in box)
Another shot of 3rd battery location
Air tank w/ regulator/filter/dryer
Quick connect front.
Quick connect at rear under bumper.
Air filter/ inlet routed to cab
X member for Oasis (mounted left of driveshaft in pic)
Splash shield on Oasis
Can't forget about the real train horns!.........
The Oasis is a York style compressor mounted to a 12v 100% duty cycle electric motor, 24v is available. These are used on many utility and military vehicles but like I said, the EDC is alot cheaper. I just found 2 Yorks at the pick yard about 3 weeks ago and will be putting them on my 74 4wd and an 86 Jimmy I just bought for $500.
My second choice is what I have done on my 6.0 since I have dual alternators putting in an EDC is out of the question so I went with an Oasis 4000 and a 3rd battery with an auto isolator. Oasis was expensive and has been well used since I installed the system so I can vouch for the quality. Here's some pics of my setup. But I really suggest you forget the tiny electric ones and go with an EDC.
Oasis 4000
Auto isolator
3rd battery (in box)
Another shot of 3rd battery location
Air tank w/ regulator/filter/dryer
Quick connect front.
Quick connect at rear under bumper.
Air filter/ inlet routed to cab
X member for Oasis (mounted left of driveshaft in pic)
Splash shield on Oasis
Can't forget about the real train horns!.........
The Oasis is a York style compressor mounted to a 12v 100% duty cycle electric motor, 24v is available. These are used on many utility and military vehicles but like I said, the EDC is alot cheaper. I just found 2 Yorks at the pick yard about 3 weeks ago and will be putting them on my 74 4wd and an 86 Jimmy I just bought for $500.
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#8
Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it. I do want the most bang for my buck obviously. I'll keep it all in mind as I continue my search. Unfortunately I'm going to probably put it on hold for a month or so. New tires were in the budget next month, but I developed a nice bubble in the tread of one of my BFG's yesterday. So it looks like that will definitely take priority.
In the meantime I'll keep my eyes peeled for a York compressor.
In the meantime I'll keep my eyes peeled for a York compressor.
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