DEF into fuel tank!
#46
My only excuse? I have two gassers and 1 diesel. Still just stupid.
#47
Absolutely. It is disparities like this that make me suspicious and always looking for second and third opinions. I have had good experiences with a several dealers and bad experiences with the same dealers. It always seems when I find a good service writer and technical team that I start to trust, they move on somewhere else, then I have to build that relationship with the service department all over again.
I am highly suspect when the person who is selling me the engine is giving me the advice that I need to buy one because my current one is no good anymore.
I am highly suspect when the person who is selling me the engine is giving me the advice that I need to buy one because my current one is no good anymore.
I find it unethical when some service writers and mechanics assume we do not understand much about these very technical engines (some of us do and some do not) and try to play on our fears to drive more revenue and move more product. I also applaud the service writers and mechanics who are honest with us and collaborate to find the win-win which keeps us coming back to them in the long run. I personally would drain all the fuel from the tank and lines up to the engine mounted fuel filter and then refill with just diesel full again.
Originally Posted by 6.7L Diesel Fuel System Contamination Diagnosis and Service Procedure Job Aid Page #2 of 7
Procedure A – Fuel Contaminated, Engine Started
1.
Drain fuel tank completely by removing the tank and cleaning to prevent the possibility of reintroducing
contamination. (Dispose of contaminated fuel in accordance with local laws and regulations.)
2.
Fill fuel tank with fresh, clean, good quality diesel fuel.
NOTE:
Leave original fuel filters, HP injection pump, fuel lines, fuel rails and injectors in place until flushing
procedure is completed to prevent contamination of replacement components.
3.
Using an appropriate container, drain DFCM of any residual liquids.
4.
Perform Fuel System Flush. Refer to Procedure C, below.
NOTE:
The DFCM must be inspected during filter replacement to verify no low pressure fuel system damage.
5.
Replace both fuel filters (primary and secondary).
6.
Replace ALL High Pressure fuel system components;
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High Pressure Fuel Pump
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Engine mounted high pressure fuel lines
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Both high pressure fuel rails
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Eight fuel injectors
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Low pressure fuel injector return hose assembly
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Fuel delivery pressure switch (located on the engine low pressure line near the secondary fuel filter)
NOTE:
All remaining low pressure fuel lines can be reused, if no physical damage is present.
7.
Perform Fuel System Bleeding – Diesel Engine, in order to get the engine started. Refer to Workshop
Manual (WSM), Section 310-00.
8.
Change engine oil and replace oil filter.
9. Using a scan tool, perform High Pressure Fuel System Test to check system for leaks. Repair as necessary.
Procedure B – Fuel Contaminated, Engine NOT Started
1.
1.
Drain fuel tank completely by removing the tank and cleaning to prevent the possibility of reintroducing
contamination. (Dispose of contaminated fuel in accordance with local laws and regulations.)
2.
Fill fuel tank with fresh, clean, good quality diesel fuel.
3.
Using an appropriate container, drain DFCM of any residual liquids.
NOTE:
The DFCM must be inspected during filter replacement to verify no low pressure fuel system damage.
4.
Replace both fuel filters (primary and secondary).
5.
Perform Fuel System Flush. Refer to Procedure C, below.)
Procedure C – Fuel System Flush
1.
1.
Remove the rear Fuel Cooler Line that returns to the fuel tank at the fuel cooler.
2.
Install a 3' length of 3/8" rubber hose over the fuel cooler nipple.
3.
Place the open end of the hose into a suitable container.
4. Use Scan Tool Active Commands or cycle the key to activate the low pressure fuel pump to flush the lines.
4. Use Scan Tool Active Commands or cycle the key to activate the low pressure fuel pump to flush the lines.
Originally Posted by dave91gt
A coworkers husband dealer located one of the first 2011's in our area. picked the truck up and started home. Check engine light came on and he turned around and took it back. They kept the truck for two days and told him to pick it up. Drove it for a few days and they took off for a Florida vacation. Halfway there, check engine light again. Truck drove OK but was louder. Took it back a few times and they never figured it out. He was talking to a friend that knows the owner of the dealership he bought it from and the guy said " you must have a red XLT". When he said yes, the guy said he knew what was wrong with his truck. Baffled, he asked "what"?!!!
The guy told him that he heard the dealership had accidentally filled the fuel tank with some DPF. They realized it when he returned it on the first trip back and they drained the tank and filled it back up with diesel. The guy had already sought a buyback and this reinforced the case. He now has a new 11 Lariat 6.7 F350. Ford swapped him out with a lower payment than on the XLT. The new one is averaging 19 mpg (I checked it out myself) with zero issues.
The guy told him that he heard the dealership had accidentally filled the fuel tank with some DPF. They realized it when he returned it on the first trip back and they drained the tank and filled it back up with diesel. The guy had already sought a buyback and this reinforced the case. He now has a new 11 Lariat 6.7 F350. Ford swapped him out with a lower payment than on the XLT. The new one is averaging 19 mpg (I checked it out myself) with zero issues.
#48
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but it sounds like you have a $19,000 accident. For what it's worth, I just had a guy with his 2011 that darkened my doorstep with fuel CETANE BOOSTER put in his DEF tank that ended up being a $5000 lesson learned. The other way around though, since you mention is has been driven until it stopped running, I can tell you there is no other way around it. You are going to need to have all injectors as well as everything in the high pressure fuel system replaced to get it running properly again.
#50
The individual knew he did it prior to starting the truck. 1) He had no concept of how little water it takes to damage components and 2) had drastically overestimated the ability of the water separator(DFCM) to remove the water. It would be a good thing to post some data on both of those.
I will see if I can post a link to the thread I was reading...
Here it is....
http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/...ummins-287447/
Last edited by suprdtydvr; 08-18-2011 at 06:15 AM. Reason: added link
#51
What is sad about all this is that some of us bought a diesel engine because of the image that diesels have for robustness. The sayings, "he's tough to get started, but once he's running, he runs like a diesel" were derived from that image. I switched from gassers, because I want that robustness.
I guess we could use the line, "if you own a diesel, when it comes to fuel & DEF, you're walking on eggs".
I guess we could use the line, "if you own a diesel, when it comes to fuel & DEF, you're walking on eggs".
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What is sad about all this is that some of us bought a diesel engine because of the image that diesels have for robustness. The sayings, "he's tough to get started, but once he's running, he runs like a diesel" were derived from that image. I switched from gassers, because I want that robustness.
I guess we could use the line, "if you own a diesel, when it comes to fuel & DEF, you're walking on eggs".
I guess we could use the line, "if you own a diesel, when it comes to fuel & DEF, you're walking on eggs".
#54
Kep4. I can see a need for both def and diesel. locking caps, It would be sad for $2 of def to cost over $20,000
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#59
I don't understand how FoMoCo would want to foot the bill for this in the future for any customer.
Is this something your dealer is offering?
In reality, it's the owners screw up so not really much different than pouring coolant in the oil filler tube, it's just easier with the DEF filler next to the fuel filler.
#60
Sounds to me like it may not have been recorded in OASIS correctly. If this is true they are really trying to help him out, but risk serious trouble if FoMoCo finds out...