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Old 03-08-2011, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kmonty2
If u don't need the diesel then just get the gas. I did some figures on how much u save on gas when using the diesel.
I based everything on 10000 miles per year and the gas getting 10 mpg and the diesel getting 15 mpg.
The diesel in a 2011 truck is $8000 more then the gas. At the above numbers it would take 9.5 years to save enough money in fuel to pay for the engine. And that was with diesel fuel only .25 more per gallon. The extra does not include any additives u use with the diesel fuel. And also it does not take in account the extra costit is for routine maitance. So my thought was unless u need it or really just want a diesel, the gas motor is the better choice.
I just love the way you explained it. That tell the whole story!
Past diesel going gasser 6.2L in 30 to 45 days when my truck gets finished.
 
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I just love to see how easy primitive sale pitches can brainwash the potential buyers.
Resell value is something that doesn't exist. SURE.
 
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Old 03-09-2011, 01:44 AM
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I just love to see how easy primitive sale pitches can brainwash the potential buyers.
Resell value is something that doesn't exist. SURE.
No that is not true, you will get more at resale and the engine will last longer. But will you get $8000 more for the diesel when you go and sell it. Probably not, but you will get more for it and you will also have that power during the time you own the truck. The only thing I was saying is, if you need the extra towing capacity then get the diesel, it's worth it to you. But don't get the diesel if you think it is cheaper in the long run. Well it is in the long run, if you wait 15 years, and honestly, who wants to wait 15 years to get a new truck?
 
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Well it is in the long run, if you wait 15 years, and honestly, who wants to wait 15 years to get a new truck?
My truck is now 16 years old. I am putting a cummins into it with a solid front axle this August. I have no intention of getting a new truck until the wheels fall off mine and won't go back on So I guess I'm that guy
 
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Originally Posted by kmonty2
No that is not true, you will get more at resale and the engine will last longer. But will you get $8000 more for the diesel when you go and sell it. Probably not, but you will get more for it and you will also have that power during the time you own the truck. The only thing I was saying is, if you need the extra towing capacity then get the diesel, it's worth it to you. But don't get the diesel if you think it is cheaper in the long run. Well it is in the long run, if you wait 15 years, and honestly, who wants to wait 15 years to get a new truck?
Easy test. Go on craigslist where you live and compare prices of 99-2003 trucks with diesel and V10 or other gas engine. The diesel option on those was about $4500 from what I remember.
Will 2011 diesel truck bring $8000 more than gasser in 10 years.? I'd say very likely. 10 years old truck with gas engine and over 200,000 miles has value of the rubber on it.
 
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:56 AM
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I tow stuff, I used to tow with a gas engine, I love my 7.3!
 
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You can look at nearly any two identical trucks except one is gas and one is diesel and the diesel will be about the same amount more than the gas as the diesel option was new.

It's the same for 4x4 vs 4x2, Lariat vs XLT, etc.

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Also depends on whats in demand. When I sold my 2000 diesel w/96k I got top dollar(book value). When I tried to sell my 06 6.0 I could not get crap...ended up trading it in for $12,500 - yes 12.5k($4,500 under book value). Took a big loss on that diesel. Just could not sell it outright because there was no demand for it. It was costing me to much $$$ to keep it.
 
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Originally Posted by rjfetz1
Also depends on whats in demand. When I sold my 2000 diesel w/96k I got top dollar(book value). When I tried to sell my 06 6.0 I could not get crap...ended up trading it in for $12,500 - yes 12.5k($4,500 under book value). Took a big loss on that diesel. Just could not sell it outright because there was no demand for it. It was costing me to much $$$ to keep it.

I'm in that same position. I want at least $18,000 for my truck which is above average trade-in value but the dealer wants to only give me $12,000. T2003 F-250 CC,LB, 2x4, 2tone paint, 54,000 miles in cherry shape, 5th wheel hitch ,new batteries and tires. I'm holding my ground on $18,000 or they can lower the new truck substantially more.
 
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Yeah resale value when I looked to buy a truck 2-3 years ago both were very proportional. So resale did not factor in to my decision.

I also care very little of resale anyhow, I havent re-sold a vehicle yet. Every vehicle I have owned is either in a junk yard/sold for scrap or sitting on my property right now and still useable. I plan on keeping my 09 until it dies. Then I'll bring it back to life again...
Unless something major happens, wreck, lemon, etc but so far so good.

If I had extra money I'd contemplate the diesel. But I fall into the category of if you dont really need the diesel, get the gasser.


Originally Posted by kmonty2
Well it is in the long run, if you wait 15 years, and honestly, who wants to wait 15 years to get a new truck?
Originally Posted by zxwut?
My truck is now 16 years old. I am putting a cummins into it with a solid front axle this August. I have no intention of getting a new truck until the wheels fall off mine and won't go back on So I guess I'm that guy
I guess I am that guy too. Whether its trucks or tractors or whatever, when I finally got what I want, I keep it.
 
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Suprising that no one has come forward about brakes, since the hydraboost brakes with the diesel hands down are way stronger and stop better than the vacuum assist gasser brakes.
Not all gas engine Superduties have vacuum assist brakes. Our '06 F350 at work has hydroboost. I've driven both that truck and my personal F250 with vacuum assist, and there's absolutely NO difference in stopping power on either one towing the same 14K lb trailer/load.
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Originally Posted by Kajtek1
Easy test. Go on craigslist where you live and compare prices of 99-2003 trucks with diesel and V10 or other gas engine. The diesel option on those was about $4500 from what I remember.
Will 2011 diesel truck bring $8000 more than gasser in 10 years.? I'd say very likely. 10 years old truck with gas engine and over 200,000 miles has value of the rubber on it.
I notice how you ALWAYS purposely leave out the '03-'07 6.0L's from your argument about resale. People that have those around here either take a royal screwing to get rid of their albatross, or the trucks sit for months without a single second look. 6.4L's are not as bad, but when the public as a whole starts paying for cab removal for simple maintenance items, they're gonna be in the same boat.
Face it-your 7.3L is slowly going to die and mandated or not-eventually you're gonna end up with a newer EPA crippled diesel that you'll wish you could get rid of once you start repairing it. I've seen if with fleet managers and corporations that at one time were diesel only, and after maintaining and repairing a fleet of 6.0L's-they now have banned the purchase of ANY diesel powered truck for their fleet.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:13 AM
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Who's going to want to buy a diesel with 200,000 miles on it especially a 6 leaker or knowing on the 2007-2010 6.4's that in order to change out the glow plugs or service the turbo, you'll have to lift the cab. Not to mention the added oil/fuel/sootbag costs. Don't worry, a gasser with 200,000 miles will be worth more in 10 years, everything else being equal, especially a V-10.
 
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No that is not true, you will get more at resale and the engine will last longer.
The bolded part has changed over the last decade. The new emissions equipment and requirements is a game changer for the diesels. I just have a feeling the diesels with all the DPFs, complex EGR systems, DEF systems and etc is going to cost a good bit of coin to maintain over the long haul thus nickel and diming the owner to death. This is the primarily the reason (IMO) that the pricing on the 7.3l trucks has been staying up there. The 6.0l did not have as much emissions equipment as the later diesels however caught a bad rep thus many avoided the engine.
 
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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
I notice how you ALWAYS purposely leave out the '03-'07 6.0L's from your argument about resale. People that have those around here either take a royal screwing to get rid of their albatross, or the trucks sit for months without a single second look. 6.4L's are not as bad, but when the public as a whole starts paying for cab removal for simple maintenance items, they're gonna be in the same boat.
Face it-your 7.3L is slowly going to die and mandated or not-eventually you're gonna end up with a newer EPA crippled diesel that you'll wish you could get rid of once you start repairing it. I've seen if with fleet managers and corporations that at one time were diesel only, and after maintaining and repairing a fleet of 6.0L's-they now have banned the purchase of ANY diesel powered truck for their fleet.
JL
I thought that maybe I was the only one noticing that in his DSL/resale rebuttals.
 


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