Thanks, that's what I was thinking too.
I'll consider trades/offers of Detroit diesel stuff or would really like some 10 lug Chevy 22.5" wheels with 7.25" bolt circle.

Although 9R22.5" tires are supposed to be mounted on a minimum of 6" wide rim I had absolutely no problems mounting them on the 5.25" rims I'm running on my truck. sure, if 6" were available I'd like some, but not having any I gave it a try and have had great results. Here's a picture of the rear duals, and they look normal on the rims too, and as I said mounted really easy.


Grigg

 

Grigg - I've had another trusted source say the same thing. Apparently they crown a bit more than otherwise, but it actually helps reduce steering input. Stu

 

I think I know where there is a complete set, still on the 50's truck, sitting in the woods near my house, along with a sunvisor. There's also a 60's Ford truck, and a White front end loader. I've had interest in the loader, and maybe this year I'll finally strike a deal for it all. A long shot, but ya never know.

 

I know I'm way late to the party but in the link I've copied and pasted: Are these wheels the widow makers ? Thanks in advance guys (if anyone sees this thread).

MUST GO 1963 Ford F-500 1 ton Dually Grain Dump Bed RUNS

 

That might be, but from those pictures I can't tell. If you look at this truck check the rear outsides for the raised band to confirm they are widowmakers.

There is a good look at the band here https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post11015018

 

Thx Joe, I'll check them out tomorrow.

 

The seller says they are 20" wheels, so they probably are widow makers. But like Joe says you can't tell from the pictures. The other thing to watch for is the fact that some of the mid '60s Ford trucks had hub piloted widowmakers. Finding 5 lug x 8" pattern replacements for hub piloted wheels is probably impossible. The times it's come up here, the members have had to convert their hubs from hub piloted to stud piloted mountings. You can identify a hub piloted mounting by the lug nuts. They will have a washer behind the nut rather than the chamfered inner edge that is the sign of a stud piloted nut. The wheels have flat surfaces around the lug holes. Below are pictures of hub piloted 5 x 8" pattern widow makers. This is a Studebaker, but Ford used the same system.

Early GMCs used the same mounting system. Pics of their hub piloted 5 x 8" pattern wheels are the last ones pictured, even though these are the lock ring style. I post them to show the smaller lug holes of these wheels. Stu

 

Do any of you know where i can get some good information on these trucks? 1960s F500s I cant even seem to find axle options as this guy is saying its a one ton rear axle. I was hoping it was the 2 spd rear end but no luck there. So I just need to look for a washer behind the lug nuts ? If these are widow makers would that be any grounds to try to talk the gentlemen down on price ?

 

If they're hub piloted widow makers it's reason to think real hard whether you want to mess with the truck at all. But yes, if you find hub piloted widowmakers are on the truck it severely reduces it's value IMHO.

The first picture below shows the fasteners used by the stud piloted system. Note the chamfered edges that center the wheel on the studs. The second picture is of the hub piloted nut. It's only job is to hole the wheel tight, it doesn't center the wheel.

I'd suggest checking in over on the 61-66 forum, or on the big truck forum, for specific info on this era F-500. Stu

 

Thanks Stu! I've posted trying to get info on these F500s in the large truck forum, the 61-66 forum and the 67-72 as well.

 

Here's an old thread on the subject. This member has an F-600 with 6 lug wheels, but the same concepts apply to the the 5 lug type. Stu

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...er-wheels.html

 

just for fun i looked in my vintage 57 ford truck shop manual and in 57 i could only find reference to 22.5s with the f500. then i checked my repop 1960 manual and the only tire reference i could find for a 60 f500 was the 22.5. i dont have a clue if tube type tires were offered in 57, 60 or 63 on the F500 but it seems strange there is no mention in the manual for a 20in lock ring and I in no way would doubt Stu, but isnt 63 getting pretty late for widow makers?

 

No Mark, they were last sold in 1977. Plus, there's always the chance that non-stock wheels got mounted on it. Wheels get swapped around if damaged, in fleet shops, etc. Stu

 

I NEED THEM... I just got a 38 ford and it is in need of wheels. if anybody has some close to KS let me know!!!!

 

Ah, I just sold three sets (yes 18 of those 22.5" wheels) I've got another set of six that I am saving for a 1938 as well.
One thing I'm concerned with but have not confirmed is that I believe the 38 has 7.50x20 lockrings on it currently and I think with the 22.5" and or using 8.25x20's on it would make the truck sit higher as well as possibly reduce fender clearance and maybe turning clearance from tires rubbing on frame.etc.??
What size tires are on it currently?

I'm wondering if I might end up just using some 19.5" wheels from an older RV chassis? I think those may possibly be a better fit for your 38? and likely easier to find and usually much more affordable? have you searched for old RV's at junkyards in your area and or craigslist? you can sometimes get an entire 1970's dodge or ford chassis Rv for well under $1000 and part it out, or swap your widow makers onto the Rv and roll it off a cliff somewhere..