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#17
Mine came out of a 94 F450 (7.3L IDI diesel......)....... Neighbor who lives down the street used his F450 with a BIG service body on the back to tow an equipment trailer with a mini excavator on it. (all well over 20,000lbs GCVW)
He removed the automatic to put a ZF-S- speed in it.......so he kept his tail mounted E-brake. (I had to find another one!)
After it was all said and done I asked him how it was with the ZF compared to the automatic.
He said I wished he had he had left it alone!
#18
Well...YES an automatic. Something wrong with that?
Mine came out of a 94 F450 (7.3L IDI diesel......)....... Neighbor who lives down the street used his F450 with a BIG service body on the back to tow an equipment trailer with a mini excavator on it. (all well over 20,000lbs GCVW)
He removed the automatic to put a ZF-S- speed in it.......so he kept his tail mounted E-brake. (I had to find another one!)
After it was all said and done I asked him how it was with the ZF compared to the automatic.
He said I wished he had he had left it alone!
Mine came out of a 94 F450 (7.3L IDI diesel......)....... Neighbor who lives down the street used his F450 with a BIG service body on the back to tow an equipment trailer with a mini excavator on it. (all well over 20,000lbs GCVW)
He removed the automatic to put a ZF-S- speed in it.......so he kept his tail mounted E-brake. (I had to find another one!)
After it was all said and done I asked him how it was with the ZF compared to the automatic.
He said I wished he had he had left it alone!
I just hate automatics. Especially for towing. Back when I was 16 I had an old guy tell me if I couldn't shift my own gears I didn't deserve a truck! I guess it just stuck. I like to shift my own gears. I prefer to control the shifts. And there's just a lot less that can go wrong with a manual. If you like autos run them I'll stick with my stick!
I have a 96 E250 with 220,000 miles on it it has the E4OD in it that is either slipping or shifting extremely hard. I can't wait for it to crap out so I can swap in a manual. I can't stand automatics!!
Don't get me wrong I don't love the ZF 5spd either. I really prefer an old NP435 over any of them. But if you want a OD and a trans mounted E-brake then the F-Super Duty ZF is the way to go.
My 91 F-super Duty is the 7.3L IDI/ZF 5spd. There's no way in hell I'd ever swap an automatic in to it!!!
#19
Back when I was 16 I had an old guy tell me if I couldn't shift my own gears I didn't deserve a truck!
I just hate automatics. Especially for towing.
Well, I'll give'ya that!
Can't argue with personal preferences. In general (GM/FOMOCO/MOPAR) the truck towing ratings are substantially higher with automatics.
The newest F150's have a nearly 2000lb LESS towing rating with a standard transmission.
SO if you REALLY like towing, you're limiting yourself with a "stick"
But then we're back to personal preference.
AND I think that everyone here will agree that we're setting up our own trucks BASED on personal preference!
I glad we all agree on this!!
regards,
Rick
#20
I've never let a little thing like tow rating dictate what I haul.
Just about every automatic I've towed with has had issues. I've never overheated a manual transmission. Hell I've never fried a clutch towing either. I haul a lot of scrap metal and a lot of vehicles.
But I'll just agree to disagree so we no longer.
Just about every automatic I've towed with has had issues. I've never overheated a manual transmission. Hell I've never fried a clutch towing either. I haul a lot of scrap metal and a lot of vehicles.
But I'll just agree to disagree so we no longer.
#21
Haha, well, it seems like being able to start on a hill can be necessary, and granny gear will get me rollin. The freeway at 55-60 will be a necessity too... so tranny gear is a must, and I can always change out 4th with a real tall gear, allowing me 60-65 at around 1800 sounds delightful.
Can you actually do that just swap out a gear like that? Being able to get to 40-45 in 3rd would be choice...
Can you actually do that just swap out a gear like that? Being able to get to 40-45 in 3rd would be choice...
#22
Haha, well, it seems like being able to start on a hill can be necessary, and granny gear will get me rollin. The freeway at 55-60 will be a necessity too... so tranny gear is a must, and I can always change out 4th with a real tall gear, allowing me 60-65 at around 1800 sounds delightful.
Can you actually do that just swap out a gear like that? Being able to get to 40-45 in 3rd would be choice...
Can you actually do that just swap out a gear like that? Being able to get to 40-45 in 3rd would be choice...
No one makes gears for them anymore and they NEVER made tall gears for them because the engines of the day just didn't do a lot of torque. They had to turn some "R's" to get you own the road.
I think your best bet is a newer axle. Then you can use a more modern OD transmission (usually 0.80:1 IN OD)
If you do the double OD route, you won't get a LOT in additional efficiency because you'll be turning all those extra gears.
Sorry for the thread hijack!!
There's definitely a difference of opinion when it comes to auto vs manual trannies...... Now don't go google searching for trannies!!!
Cheers,
Rick
#23
IMHO, FWIW and whatever other four letter acronym you'd like your only option for getting everything you want is to swap in a diesel and (of course) a manual transmission. If it was me i'd go with a Cummins 12v to get the torque and mpg's you're after plus it's a very reliable engine to boot.
As mentioned the newer automatics are rated (whatever that means) for more towing capacity, however, this is a fairly new development and since you're talking about a 50+ yr old truck and modern drivetrains, that fact applies to a very small percentage of your options. Plus when towing, especially uphill, it's nice to have a manual so your 100% locked in to gear in every gear instead of dealing with the weaknesses of a fluid coupling.
As mentioned the newer automatics are rated (whatever that means) for more towing capacity, however, this is a fairly new development and since you're talking about a 50+ yr old truck and modern drivetrains, that fact applies to a very small percentage of your options. Plus when towing, especially uphill, it's nice to have a manual so your 100% locked in to gear in every gear instead of dealing with the weaknesses of a fluid coupling.
#25
I do love the Cummins, just wish my 24v was a 12v
#26
True enough but even then you're still not locked in until certain speeds, unless you install a mystery switch, which is an option I guess. Really it's back to personal preference and if the OP is going to move forward with the 460 I probably would just go with the auto he already has.
This is what makes the E4OD (and probably the AODE) a great choice for some of our trucks.
With the Baumann controller I have, I get COMPLETE control of when the TC is locked.........in every gear If I want (all pre-programmed) .... (You have to unlock it when you stop or you'll kill the engine.........just like when you forget to push in the clutch!!)
SO if a guy was going to use a 460 in an F600, an E4OD would be an excellent choice and it's certainly heavy-duty enough too.
Of course, It all goes back to personal preference.
If I do later put a 12v in my F600, I'll still use an E4OD. Built "right", they'll handle anything you can put in front of them.
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