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I've owned two 7.3's, and a 6.0. After all the years of oil burning and my 6.0 experience I bought a used 99' V10. It spoiled me with its reliability. The old noisy 7.3's got better milage, but I never saw the numbers bragged about on this board. I actually enjoyed the 6.0 far more than the 7.3's. If I got 11mpg in the winter out of either 7.3 I was happy.
But the time had come to replace my aging 99' so I came home with a brand new 2010 V10.
 
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I'm very happy with the V10's. I just sold my 03 V10 truck and ordered a 2011 V10 to keep my 09 V10 company.
 
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I thought 2010 was the last year for the V10. That is good news it will still be available at least for 2011. I think it is a real workhorse.
 
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Originally Posted by SKI-V10
I thought 2010 was the last year for the V10. That is good news it will still be available at least for 2011. I think it is a real workhorse.
V10's are still made, but not available in the F250/350. I've seen them recently in new class C motorhomes.
 
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Originally Posted by SKI-V10
I thought 2010 was the last year for the V10. That is good news it will still be available at least for 2011. I think it is a real workhorse.
The 3V 6.8l will be available in the F-450 and F-550 chassis for at least a couple years yet, same with the F53 chassis. Ford is putting the V10 in the F-650 and F-750 trucks along with the 6R140 trans. I would love to drive a V10/6R140 combo in a 250 or 350. I think the 2V V10 is still available in the E-series and industrial generator applications also.
 
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Old 12-30-2010, 06:33 PM
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People often complain about things they have no experiance with. Owning a V10 for nearly 5 years now I feel I have an informed opinion. Frankly them other people don't know squat. I'm demanding and generally hard to please. Before this SD came along 2 years with any vehicle was it. Some I only had for just weeks.

I have enjoyed 390cid plus Ford engines for a long enough. This one is my favorite. The V10 is an impressive engine. It makes reasonable fuel mileage, it has power, it has torque, and has rediculous reliablity compaired to others in it's class. It's very easy to service, and doesn't cost a fortune to do so.

The new 6.2 has a lot to live up to. I think however it will be more popular reguardless if it does. American's love a V8s. Bah I love the V10, and would have loved a V12 replacement.
 
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Old 12-30-2010, 06:44 PM
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I curntly own a 96 7.3 diesel and thinking of selling it to get a v10. but every time i talk about it, people chew me up. saying the V10 is not reliable and a gas hog.
Well, I think its a handful of things.

Most people that have never owned one thing that they get the same or worse MPGs than the 8.1, Dodge V10 or the 460.
The idea that we can't see double digit fuel mileage is fairly common.
There are many people that don't believe that I can get 16 highway when I tell them.

The idea that sooner or latter the plugs will shoot out through the hood is something lots of poeple think, when all you have to do is put them in right.
180 in-lbs and they never come out.

Then there are the salesmen. They will say anything to get you to go with a PSD rather than the V10. That leads to people buying the PSD and repeating all the crap the salesmen told them to others.

I ended up talking to a guy a few years ago with a brand new top of the line Ram 3500. He told me that He would not buy a PSD becuase of all the 6.0 problems and the 6.4 being unproven at that point. He wanted a V10, but after two diffrent dealers would not order the truck he wanted he went with his second choice, the Cummins Ram.

Then of course you have the guys that get a 2V 4 speed auto V10 with 3.73s and think its a gutless turd when it can't pull 10K up a 8% grade in O/D. Then they trade it for a PSD/Dmax/Cummins and talk crap about the 5.4/6.8 every chance they get.
 
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Originally Posted by bill11012
There are many people that don't believe that I can get 16 highway when I tell them.

Then of course you have the guys that get a 2V 4 speed auto V10 with 3.73s and think its a gutless turd when it can't pull 10K up a 8% grade in O/D. Then they trade it for a PSD/Dmax/Cummins and talk crap about the 5.4/6.8 every chance they get.
I don't believe this for a minute either. Unless it is with a tail wind going 55 I won't buy it.

The latter is a very good point. Back in '98 I test drove one of these and it was a gutless turd. After I test drove one with the 4:30's, I ordered one.

I just got back from a 1250 mile trip with my 2007. I averaged just under 12mpg. The best was 12.75 and the worst was 10.8. The trip home was 625 miles into a 25 mph head wind the whole way so this brought my average down. I drove 75 pretty much the whole way. The best was with a slight tail wind at 80-85. Maybe if I would've went 60-65 with the tail wind I would've seen high 13's.

Granted, mine is a CC 4x4 with 285's but I can't see 16 mpg in anything less than a regular cab 2wd with 3:73's going 55 mph. I just don't see how it's done.

My 1999 2V saw a high of 13.85 one time. This was with a tail wind at 80-85. Maybe I should slow down on the interstate.
 
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by super 6.8
I don't believe this for a minute either. Unless it is with a tail wind going 55 I won't buy it.
Flat ground, CC set at 65 with 3.73s and 2wd.

Fueled up, got on the highway and set the cruise.
Never touched either one of the pedels until it was time for fuel again.

My all time low for empty highway was 9.
 
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Old 12-30-2010, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
Flat ground, CC set at 65 with 3.73s and 2wd.

Fueled up, got on the highway and set the cruise.
Never touched either one of the pedels until it was time for fuel again.

My all time low for empty highway was 9.
How many miles were on this trip? If it was not very many, then other variables come into play, like fuel pump clicks until full, etc...

Not saying it couldn't have happened, maybe, but I am used to measuring mileage from a full tank going about 250 miles or so until refilling.

On a side note, I sometimes wish my tank was bigger than 29 gallons, but 250 miles is about all I can stand without getting out and walking around anyway.

My all time worst for highway mileage was 7. I was in a big hurry and was bumping the 96mph rev limiter into a big headwind.
 

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I ran the tank down from full to less then 1/4 3 tanks in a row and did the math by hand.

I got 16 avg over 3 tanks doing that. It happend.
 
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I will take your word for it then.

I lurk on here but don't post much. Been rooting for you on the 460 vs V10 thread. ha ha Bunch of ignorant diesel owners over there.

The V10 is hands down the smoothest most powerful factory gas truck engine ever. Nobody can say anything that will ever change my mind.

This road trip I just took only reinforces my opinion. I was pulling good hills in OD against a bad head wind and never downshifted once. Granted, I was running with only 4 people and maybe 500 lbs of stuff but I take several trips like this per year. The Superduty crew cab is so big I don't want to take one of our suvs or cars.

Turning 2700 rpm's at 80 mph this thing is a work of art. Decent gas mileage and just a tap of the right foot to pass and before you know it you are doing 95. All this going up hill and against the wind. It doesn't matter.....
 
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There is one detail I forgot, that was on gas. I doubt I could repeat the same MPGs on E10.

Originally Posted by super 6.8

The V10 is hands down the smoothest most powerful factory gas truck engine ever. Nobody can say anything that will ever change my mind.
I am of the same opinion. The 6.8L is one of the greatest engines ever made. I would like to test drive a 6.2 and see how it does though.

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This road trip I just took only reinforces my opinion. I was pulling good hills in OD against a bad head wind and never downshifted once. Granted, I was running with only 4 people and maybe 500 lbs of stuff but I take several trips like this per year. The Superduty crew cab is so big I don't want to take one of our suvs or cars.

Turning 2700 rpm's at 80 mph this thing is a work of art. Decent gas mileage and just a tap of the right foot to pass and before you know it you are doing 95. All this going up hill and against the wind. It doesn't matter.....
Do you have 5 star tuning or stock? If you think its amazing stock you have got to try it with a tune... Mike gets someting like 75 more lb-ft out of them at low RPM and around 30 more peak HP.
 
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Old 12-30-2010, 09:29 PM
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I have been running a 5 star 87 performance / tow tune now for about a year now. Pretty noticeable gains over stock. Haven't tried the 91 perf / tow tune yet. Should've tried it on this road trip but we went to Minnesota and I didn't feel like messing with it in the cold. I would like to see if the 91 octane tune would justify the price of the gas though, especially on a road trip.
 
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From what I read from the "6.2L Engineer" thread, I don't see how it will top the V10 in any category. Eight percent better fuel burn? That is nothing. Less torque and at higher RPM's?

I hope the 6.2 works out. But it will take another version to best the 3v V10.

My next truck will probably be a 1/2 ton anyway. I am digging the 3.5L ecoboost. If I can get mid 20's on the highway empty...sign me up to the 420 lb/ft at 2500 rpm.
 


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