Did you know that the fuel prices in the US are extremely close to the price per barrel that gets listed on the CBOT? While the NYSE does handle oil futures and some of the other commodities, regulation is ultimately done at the CBOT.

While we were paying 5 per gallon at the same time some countries were paying above 10. Still thinking that price gouging is bad here in the US? All that extra price is due to regulation within that country. I think Greece is the worst one, at least that is what I'm wanting to think anyway.

Yes, there are ways that companies can affect commodity prices, but ultimately it's the speculators that have to buy into that act that those companies are doing. That has happened and it has been dealt with from time to time.

As to someone's question on exhaust and nuisance laws. That is going to depend on your local, state, and federal regulations. There is nothing on the books were my truck is tagged, now the other place I live there is. However, because my truck is tagged at a place that doesn't have any regulation on that, giving me a ticket for it won't hold up if I choose to fight it. Just depends if the fine is greater then the travel expense for a trip with that as the sole purpose. Same thing if there isn't a law to have a trailer that you are towing have a tag on it in your state or county, but you go to one that does require it. You still might get the ticket, but more then likely it will be thrown out if you choose to fight. Just depends on if it's worth it economically.

 

all that trouble isnt worth the few pennies less that it costs.

 

Actually I think "holiday" means to oil companies all hands on deck..Seems like my kids are always having to work during those days..But they get paid well for doing so...lol..And now back to the regular thread..

 

I was just thinking the same thing

 

you are right. has any gone 5 over the speed limit? that's against the law too.

 

This is an old chart, but it gives you an Idea of why other countries prices for fuel is so much higher than the US.

 

I used to run kerosene in my mercedes Diesel. When diesel was 3.00 kerosene was about 1.54 a gallon. Got yelled at my the clerk a couple times. But i jsut played dumb. "oops, i grabbed the wrong handle"

 

I know of a couple guys that got busted around here, in the west Texas oil patch. I have heard of fines upwards of 10k. The DOT has come out to rigs just to check everyone that has a diesel. I have personaly never seen it, but I have heard of other states that use moble check station to check every diesel that comes bye.

Also just to point out.....TAX EVATION is no comparison to speeding.

 

I drive a big truck and never been stopped in it. BUT I have been stopped in my pickup (that time I was drivign a gasser 1ton dually pulling a stock trailer. as soon as they realized it was gas was told to go ahead, but they were stopping every pickup pulling a stock trailer)

And in this and the next county south of here 10 farmers got nailed in one day, they came back a month later and did it again and caught more and yes the fines were very steep. first offense they got them for $1000, second offense they got them for $10,000 AND they took the mileage of the truck figured the average MPG and how much fuel that truck had burned in it's lifetime and made them pay the taxes ON ALL OF IT.

when I have seen it in Iowa, they have IRS agents riding around with State troopers and DOT officers to check the tanks of EVERY diesel they see.

 

I have had diesel pickup trucks since 1989 and have never been checked, but I know a guy who was checkeds a few years ago when he went onto a service area of the Pa. turnpike. Also know of a case where a local builder was running red fuel and was caught and fined, more then likely someone turned him in. Several years ago a heating oil supply delivery Co. in the Phila. Pa. area was prosecuted by the feds and state for running red fuel, they paid somewhere near a 1/2 million in fines and back tax's.

Google, "fine for using untaxed diesel fuel"

 

I would also like to add, there's no difference between someone using untaxed fuel or going to another state to buy booze or cigarettes to bring back and consume in your state. It wasn't long ago that Pa. liquor control board agents were going into border towns in Delaware to package goods stores and video taping vehicles with Pa. registration plates on them. They would radio agents just inside the Pa. line along 3 major routes. If you were the unlucky person being caught, they would confiscate the untaxed goods and issue you a citation for a later court date. Some people like to take a chance, but that's up to them. There not cheating me anymore then the people in DC with the money squandering.

 

Actually there is a difference between the two.

In one scenerio, one is legal in one area, but right across the border it isn't legal.

In the second scenerio, it isn't legal no matter what. The main thing is whether or not you get caught and what are the odds of you getting caught.

You also have to remember to, hurting the people that don't do it doesn't always mean just through higher taxes or other ways dealing with money. It also could mean that you have to deal with more "checkpoints" or other time consuming things that wouldn't have happened if there wasn't this big surge of people trying to do things illegally. All about opportunity cost.

 

I don't think it's a good idea to run off road fuel. not worth getting busted. but most everyone on this forum has done something on the gray side of the line. Why should one law be more important then another. If you are o k with a little "sin" what's wrong with some type of other little "sin"?

 

Do you understand how the markets work? Do you know what happens when supply and/or demand change?

 

I always find it intresting how some that break the law that they deem ok will preach at another man for breaking a law they deem unacceptable. Maybe a little deduction that's not legal, swap a part out that EPA says must be on a ride. Cut off a catalatyc converter. I guess all these laws are ok to break, just don't put any red fuel in your ride


He who live in glass house should not throw stones.

Mud