VERY POOR mpgs. PLEASE help
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VERY POOR mpgs. PLEASE help
I've had my truck around 6 years now. From day 1 until this Spring I was averaging 17ish @ 70 mph with bouts of up to 19-20 on night runs @ 65 mph. My mileage suddenly dropped in March or April and hasn't come back up.
History: In March I believe, ran the truck REALLY hard in some sand and messed up either the torque converter or E4OD. OD light started flashing and was shifting hard from 1-2-3 and back down from 3-2-1. Threw codes for trans slip error and EBP sensor low input. Cleaned EBP tube and sensor and still threw code. Mileage decreased for the first time during this time to 12-14 mpg.
Drove for about 2-3 more months and swapped to ZF 5. ZF 5 + 4.10s=higher RPMs. Despite the higher RPMs mileage stayed about the same I'm guessing because no more tranny slip and the lower gearing of the 5 speed.
A month or so ago I pulled the 4.10s and put in 3.55 LS. Dropped my 70 mph RPMs to barely above 2,000(slightly less than with the E4OD and 4.10s) and my 65 mph RPMs to 1,800ish. My mileage has since risen to 14-15ish @ mostly 65-70 mph. Last week I installed a 6637 with no noticeable mileage gain. A few days prior to the 6637 install I made a 500 mile run and squeezed 16 mpg out of it running 65-70 and that's the best I've seen. I'm back down to 14-15 with sperratic decreases or increases with no variation in my driving-conservative with the skinny pedal, highway 65-70 mph.
Occasionally it will poot out a little grayish/blue smoke at start-up and for a few minutes afterward if I give it a "cowboy stomp" rev then it stops blowing any smoke. I don't see any discoloration in the fuel bowl. I don't have any brakes dragging(anymore at least). My tires wear great even though I could use some new tie rod ends. It does sometimes feel like something is holding it back. Not like it is lacking power but that the power is there and it isn't getting transferred to the ground(almost like the feeling of a brake dragging). Could my clutch be slipping some? At idle with the door open so I can hear better when the clutch is pushed in there's no sound other than pretty smooth engine. When I let the clutch pedal out there is a new sound almost like if you took and lightly rubbed back and forth a piece of sandpaper on a thin piece of metal. I am also smelling a slightly unusual smell. It's not quite a full blown burning smell but like something is getting too hot.
Not burning any oil and idiot temp guage doesn't get even slightly above normal. Engine sounds and feels good. Idles good. I'm going to check FPR pressure once I re-oring it.
What else? How can I check for exhaust leaks? I need to gut my cat once I can get the dang thing apart from the muffler pipe. I know it will effect economy but I really dount 2-4 mpgs. The fuel bill is killing me, especially when I know it is possible to get so much better.
History: In March I believe, ran the truck REALLY hard in some sand and messed up either the torque converter or E4OD. OD light started flashing and was shifting hard from 1-2-3 and back down from 3-2-1. Threw codes for trans slip error and EBP sensor low input. Cleaned EBP tube and sensor and still threw code. Mileage decreased for the first time during this time to 12-14 mpg.
Drove for about 2-3 more months and swapped to ZF 5. ZF 5 + 4.10s=higher RPMs. Despite the higher RPMs mileage stayed about the same I'm guessing because no more tranny slip and the lower gearing of the 5 speed.
A month or so ago I pulled the 4.10s and put in 3.55 LS. Dropped my 70 mph RPMs to barely above 2,000(slightly less than with the E4OD and 4.10s) and my 65 mph RPMs to 1,800ish. My mileage has since risen to 14-15ish @ mostly 65-70 mph. Last week I installed a 6637 with no noticeable mileage gain. A few days prior to the 6637 install I made a 500 mile run and squeezed 16 mpg out of it running 65-70 and that's the best I've seen. I'm back down to 14-15 with sperratic decreases or increases with no variation in my driving-conservative with the skinny pedal, highway 65-70 mph.
Occasionally it will poot out a little grayish/blue smoke at start-up and for a few minutes afterward if I give it a "cowboy stomp" rev then it stops blowing any smoke. I don't see any discoloration in the fuel bowl. I don't have any brakes dragging(anymore at least). My tires wear great even though I could use some new tie rod ends. It does sometimes feel like something is holding it back. Not like it is lacking power but that the power is there and it isn't getting transferred to the ground(almost like the feeling of a brake dragging). Could my clutch be slipping some? At idle with the door open so I can hear better when the clutch is pushed in there's no sound other than pretty smooth engine. When I let the clutch pedal out there is a new sound almost like if you took and lightly rubbed back and forth a piece of sandpaper on a thin piece of metal. I am also smelling a slightly unusual smell. It's not quite a full blown burning smell but like something is getting too hot.
Not burning any oil and idiot temp guage doesn't get even slightly above normal. Engine sounds and feels good. Idles good. I'm going to check FPR pressure once I re-oring it.
What else? How can I check for exhaust leaks? I need to gut my cat once I can get the dang thing apart from the muffler pipe. I know it will effect economy but I really dount 2-4 mpgs. The fuel bill is killing me, especially when I know it is possible to get so much better.
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The up pipes if leaking can affect mileage. You will usually see some black soot around the connections at the manifolds and/or at the collector. Any exhaust leak past the turbo should not affect performance. If the cat is plugged, that could really hinder mileage and performance.
Is there any chance sand got into the engine? The boot that connects to the turbo could be cracked on the bottom side. They are known for this, causing dirt to enter the turbo.
Is there any chance sand got into the engine? The boot that connects to the turbo could be cracked on the bottom side. They are known for this, causing dirt to enter the turbo.
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Originally Posted by Talyn
The hard running might have screwed up the cat.
I'd start there.
Exhaust will kill mpg.
I'd start there.
Exhaust will kill mpg.
Originally Posted by CampSpringsJohn
The up pipes if leaking can affect mileage. You will usually see some black soot around the connections at the manifolds and/or at the collector. Any exhaust leak past the turbo should not affect performance. If the cat is plugged, that could really hinder mileage and performance.
Is there any chance sand got into the engine? The boot that connects to the turbo could be cracked on the bottom side. They are known for this, causing dirt to enter the turbo.
Is there any chance sand got into the engine? The boot that connects to the turbo could be cracked on the bottom side. They are known for this, causing dirt to enter the turbo.
Originally Posted by Copedawg
another suggestion: Ran hard in sand? Have you looked at your turbo fins yet?
I also run Diesel Kleen with each fillup. Not expecting a miracle from it but it seems to help with smoothness.
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I agree, even with the age and mileage the cat could be causing an exhaust restriction.
As for the FPR screen, mine was completely covered in black crude I could even tell there was a screen under it. I'm sure that was causing a fuel restrictioin leading to a heavier throttle. There a recent good short thread on fuel economy in the last week if you look.
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Originally Posted by Copedawg
can you jack up the vehicle and spin each wheel and see (hear or feel) if there is indeed a drag?
Originally Posted by dturnersr
I agree, even with the age and mileage the cat could be causing an exhaust restriction.
As for the FPR screen, mine was completely covered in black crude I could even tell there was a screen under it. I'm sure that was causing a fuel restrictioin leading to a heavier throttle. There a recent good short thread on fuel economy in the last week if you look.
As for the FPR screen, mine was completely covered in black crude I could even tell there was a screen under it. I'm sure that was causing a fuel restrictioin leading to a heavier throttle. There a recent good short thread on fuel economy in the last week if you look.
I'll see if I can't find that thread.
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