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small-list Digest Thu, 07 Dec 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 204

In This Issue:
Re: [Idiot light query]
 Chips in keys, an observation
[small list] RE: chip in key
[small list] Blue headlight bulbs
Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
Headlight  bulbs

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Date:  7 Dec 00 00:30:29 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNCnetscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Idiot light query]


"Richard Steinfeld" <rgsteinlmi.net> wrote:

> things, including replacing the PCV valve, which he had to get to by
> removing the inside engine cover.

Oh that's what that little plate is for!   I always thought it was an
emergency escape hatch for the gerbils in there. ;-)

> As soon as I got the van back, I noticed that the "Amp" light was on. This
> light has been on continuously for the last week & a half during my
> hour-each-way commute (the PM trip at night).

This started before the service or immediately after or shortly thereafter?

> I have a decent digital voltmeter plugged into the cigarette lighter
socket.
> This gauge shows nothing wrong. Charging is at 13.6-14.x at all times the
> engine is running. The ratty voltmeter in the instrument cluster also shows
> a normal reading.

Sounds good to me...  might want to check the Voltage at the battery as well
to be safe though.

> Can anyone give me a clue to why the red light dash light
> is "on," and what to do about it?


Just speaking in generalities here for the theory and using Chebbie's approach
having been 'round & 'round with a non-charging Olds "Gutlass" today.  One
terminal for Battery, one for "sense" (ie; battery Voltage), one for the
light/guage, one to energize the field coil.  Checking Voltages at the
alternator connector may give some insight to the problem (Voltage drop etc.)
Also the plug to the alternator is a common problem; high quality Alternators
come with a new plug and wiring harness (usually with a note that the warranty
is void if it's not used).

With all that said, in general the problem you describe (if not a poor
connection somewhere) is internal to the alternator/regulator ass'y, but if
it's charging and you monitor the guages I wouldn't worry about it much
unless it turns out the alternator is also drawing Amperage while the key  is
off.

Hope this is of some help; it's been nutso at work & home but I'll try to dig
up better info if you still need it.  :-)

Tim


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Date:      Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:05:31 -0800
From: "Tom Watson" <tswjohana.com>
Subject:   Chips in keys, an observation

My explorer has one of those wonderful devices that includes a "chip"
(unspecified) inside the standard key.  The stated purpose is to
"prevent theft", and it appears to function quite well.

In a fit of being bored I did a few experiments:
1)  I went down to the local auto club and they made me a "plastic key"
which is the size of a credit card.  It fits wonderfully into the
ignition slot and will make the radio play nicely.
2)  I tried to start the vehicle.  Well, it tries to do that, and
gets spark for a couple of revolutions, but quickly sputters.  This
chip in key stuff really does work.  Even lights up the "theft" light
in the instrument panel.
3)  Now for the fun part.  I inserted the plastic key, and along with
my "chip key" nearby, attempted to start the vehicle.  Well it starts
and runs nicely.  OK, it sensed the key.
4)  After performing step #3, I left the plastic key in, and in the "on"
position, and removed the "chip key" from its sense position next to the
ignition switch.  I expected the magical computer to detect the absence
of a chip key, but IT DOESN'T.  The engine keeps on running.

I just find that #4 seems wierd to me.  I suppose it might be useful if
you want to let someone use the vehicle, but don't want them to stop the
engine.

I was hoping that the "anti theft" part of the computer would run
every once in a while to re-confirm that the "chip key" really WAS
in the vicinity.  Oh, well.....

Someone might find this information useful.  I was just curious.
--
Tom Watson         Generic short signature
tswjohana.com     (I'm at home now)

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From: "Flynn Einhorn" <feinhornhotmail.com>
Subject: [small list] RE: chip in key
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:42:14 -0500

Mr. Watson you must have a lot of time on your hands to mess with you vehicle (please take no offense to this, I wish I had the time to mess with my ranger)  Anyway you answered a question that I have been wondering the answer too since I got my truck!  Thanks!!!


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From: "Flynn Einhorn" <feinhornhotmail.com>
Subject: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:47:48 -0500

Does anyone have any experience with these blue headlamp bulbs that you see in the customizing shops?  I have heard mixed reviews.  Some people say that they work up to 20% better and are the closest things to HID lights (HID conversion kit starts at $2,000). So HID lights are out of the question.  My question is are these light bulbs worth getting.  I also hear they don't last as long, they might melt the wiring harness, and they need a upgraded fuse (from 10 to 15).  It sounds like all bad, but I think they look cool on a vehicle.  Anyone have these lights?  Also I hear that if you don't get the right ones the light is actually less powerful than stock.


Thanks,
FLE


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From: "David Cooley" <n5xmttriad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:23:26 -0500


Not even close to HID, they are 20-30% dimmer, as the blue color is a filter
that removes the yellow portion of the light.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: small-list-bounceford-trucks.com
> [mailto:small-list-bounceford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Flynn Einhorn
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 1:48 PM
> To: small-listford-trucks.com
> Subject: [small-list] [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with these blue headlamp bulbs
> that you see in the customizing shops?  I have heard mixed
> reviews.  Some people say that they work up to 20% better and are
> the closest things to HID lights (HID conversion kit starts at
> $2,000). So HID lights are out of the question.  My question is
> are these light bulbs worth getting.  I also hear they don't last
> as long, they might melt the wiring harness, and they need a
> upgraded fuse (from 10 to 15).  It sounds like all bad, but I
> think they look cool on a vehicle.  Anyone have these lights?
> Also I hear that if you don't get the right ones the light is
> actually less powerful than stock.
>
>
> Thanks,
> FLE
>
>


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From: "Mike Fisher" <mdfishergte.net>
Subject: Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:04:23 -0600


I agree with David that they aren't really close to HIDs. They do however
provide whiter light than normal bulbs do. The ones I have just have a blue
coating of some sort. I have been running these same bulbs for over three
years now, with no blown fuses, melted wires, etc. These are the high
wattage variety, too ( 80w/100w, I believe). The only thing negative is that
people in cars complain about them occasionally, but who gives a rat's a**
about them, anyway.

Mike Fisher
1997 AWD Mountaineer
Borla/K&N/BFG 30x9.50s TA-KOs/PIAA 520s/Edelbrock Performer IAS/Longtek/WAAG


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Cooley" <n5xmttriad.rr.com>
To: <small-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 3:23 PM
Subject: [small-list] Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs


>
> Not even close to HID, they are 20-30% dimmer, as the blue color is a
filter
> that removes the yellow portion of the light.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: small-list-bounceford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:small-list-bounceford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Flynn Einhorn
> > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 1:48 PM
> > To: small-listford-trucks.com
> > Subject: [small-list] [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with these blue headlamp bulbs
> > that you see in the customizing shops?  I have heard mixed
> > reviews.  Some people say that they work up to 20% better and are
> > the closest things to HID lights (HID conversion kit starts at
> > $2,000). So HID lights are out of the question.  My question is
> > are these light bulbs worth getting.  I also hear they don't last
> > as long, they might melt the wiring harness, and they need a
> > upgraded fuse (from 10 to 15).  It sounds like all bad, but I
> > think they look cool on a vehicle.  Anyone have these lights?
> > Also I hear that if you don't get the right ones the light is
> > actually less powerful than stock.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > FLE
> >
> >
>
>


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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:05:57 -0800
From: phil <philableofficemachines.com>
Subject: Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs




David Cooley wrote:

> Not even close to HID, they are 20-30% dimmer, as the blue color is a filter
> that removes the yellow portion of the light.

ALSO i have years ago had "blue" lights and was pulled over twice and told that
they were "illegal" on the street as they look like police cars...


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From: "Bob Leifer" <rleiferoptonline.net>
Subject: Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:48:20 -0500


I don't really want to start an argument here, Mike, but your
inconsideration one night may blind somebody enough to crash into you and
kill you as well as themselves. I drive a truck too, and those super bright
lights blind me also. I hope you are only kidding about not caring. It's
nice to be able to see at night, but not at somebody else's expense.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Fisher" <mdfishergte.net>
To: <small-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:04 PM
Subject: [small-list] Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs


>
> I agree with David that they aren't really close to HIDs. They do however
> provide whiter light than normal bulbs do. The ones I have just have a
blue
> coating of some sort. I have been running these same bulbs for over three
> years now, with no blown fuses, melted wires, etc. These are the high
> wattage variety, too ( 80w/100w, I believe). The only thing negative is
that
> people in cars complain about them occasionally, but who gives a rat's a**
> about them, anyway.
>
> Mike Fisher
> 1997 AWD Mountaineer
> Borla/K&N/BFG 30x9.50s TA-KOs/PIAA 520s/Edelbrock Performer
IAS/Longtek/WAAG
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Cooley" <n5xmttriad.rr.com>
> To: <small-listford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 3:23 PM
> Subject: [small-list] Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
>
>
> >
> > Not even close to HID, they are 20-30% dimmer, as the blue color is a
> filter
> > that removes the yellow portion of the light.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: small-list-bounceford-trucks.com
> > > [mailto:small-list-bounceford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Flynn Einhorn
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 1:48 PM
> > > To: small-listford-trucks.com
> > > Subject: [small-list] [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any experience with these blue headlamp bulbs
> > > that you see in the customizing shops?  I have heard mixed
> > > reviews.  Some people say that they work up to 20% better and are
> > > the closest things to HID lights (HID conversion kit starts at
> > > $2,000). So HID lights are out of the question.  My question is
> > > are these light bulbs worth getting.  I also hear they don't last
> > > as long, they might melt the wiring harness, and they need a
> > > upgraded fuse (from 10 to 15).  It sounds like all bad, but I
> > > think they look cool on a vehicle.  Anyone have these lights?
> > > Also I hear that if you don't get the right ones the light is
> > > actually less powerful than stock.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > FLE
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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From: "Mike Fisher" <mdfishergte.net>
Subject: Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:17:48 -0600


Hi Bob,

I do care if somebody else runs into me, but only to that extent. I drive on
crowded freeways with millions of a**holes everyday, and nobody has any
concern for anybody else. BTW, I don't drive with the high-beams on unless
there are no other cars on the road, nor do I drive with the fog lamps on
unless weather warrants, nor do I drive with my driving lights on unless
there's nobody else around. I'm not out to do anyting to anyone, but I spent
too many years riding motorcycles to have much respect for "box jockeys".

No offense intended to you or anyone else, just my opinion.

Mike Fisher

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Leifer" <rleiferoptonline.net>
To: <small-listford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 4:48 PM
Subject: [small-list] Re: [small list] Blue headlight bulbs


>
> I don't really want to start an argument here, Mike, but your
> inconsideration one night may blind somebody enough to crash into you and
> kill you as well as themselves. I drive a truck too, and those super
bright
> lights blind me also. I hope you are only kidding about not caring. It's
> nice to be able to see at night, but not at somebody else's expense.
>
> Bob



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From: "Flynn Einhorn" <feinhornhotmail.com>
Subject: Headlight  bulbs
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 01:59:51 -0500

What are the type of bulbs you are using and who makes them?  I saw some today that were $60 and they looked nice but I don't want to lose light brightness.....I want MORE brightness! What should I Buy?


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