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small-list Digest Fri, 18 Aug 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 132

In This Issue:
Re: Torque
Warranty time, real time and pay
 Obtaining non-Firestore replacements
Re: "Bad Vibrations"
ADMIN: Tough Tales
ADMIN: More...
% speed - which one?
Re: [  Obtaining non-Firestore replacements]


Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:40:25 -0700
From: Bill Funk <>
Subject: Re: Torque

The best way is to see if one of the local car part stores will lend
or rent you a torque wrench. If they won't, try a tool rental store.
There is no way to guess such things; take it from an ex-mechanic.

From: Adam McLaughlin <>
Subject: Torque

I have a question for all of you. I will be torquing some 1 and 1/8"
nuts this weekend, and Ford says to torque them to 170 to 220 ft/lbs. My
wrench only goes up to 150. How could I get them tighter, and still be
in that neighborhood?
Is there a way, that I could torque them to 150, and then say, bring the
nut around another quarter turn to get it to 170 or something?
Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Date: 19 Aug 00 01:40:10 EDT
From: Tim Turner <>
Subject: Warranty time, real time and pay

Dan Wentz <> wrote:

> they don't get paid to look at things--just to install parts.  They're
> pretty much full of it.  If the car was out of warranty they'd gladly tear
> my car apart.

The techs get paid 'book time', warranty time usually pays 1/2-2/3 of the
normal book time.  Good incentive to find the problem eh?


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Date:      Sat, 19 Aug 2000 01:50:45 -0800
From: "Tom Watson" <>
Subject:   Obtaining non-Firestore replacements

Given all the news media hype and the like on what state and such the
tire recall affects, and with others commenting that non-Firestone
tires are better (Like Michelins).  What do I say to the dealer/
tire vendor/etc. to get some credit for the recalled tires when I
go and purchase the replacement tires.

From what I've heard, there is some compensation if one chooses the
non-Firestore approach.

Usually it is a good idea to have this information in hand before
raising a "big stink" about it.  What have others said/done to get
non-Firestone replacements.

Tom Watson         Generic short signature     (I'm at home now)


From: "Mike Haight" <>
Subject: Re: "Bad Vibrations"
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 06:54:52 -0400

Before you go to all that....if you have FIRESTONE tires of the RECALL
type then you might try changing those tires first as when the tread
starts to separate it can/will cause the tires to be out of balance
and cause vibration of the wheel at not necessarily the same speeds
each time.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal Armstrong" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 5:44 PM
Subject: [small-list] "Bad Vibrations"

> Thanks to all who responded with suggestions re: the vibrations in
> '96 Explorer.  My plan of attack was (and is) 1. Rebalance tires at
> shop using a Hunter 9000 or 9500 unit, per recommendations found on
> furrin car discussion group (although I really don't think it is the
> tires), and 2. have the driveshaft dynamically balanced off the car.
> Don't know where to go after that if it isn't cured. I checked wheel
> bearings  2K or 3K miles ago, and the 400 or so miles of I-35 I
> when I noticed it has such variations in the surface, it couldn't be
> that either.  Let y'all know what happens!
> To Mad in Minneapolis: With all you've checked, this is probably too
> simplistic, but I've heard several times the earlier models have
> inherent vibration problems that are made much worse by oversize
> and that certain brands of tires may also make it worse.  Presumably
> knew that and have stock sizes on it.  I've been quoted $120 to
> the driveshaft if they remove/install it, $35 if I bring it in.
> like a pretty reasonable cost to eliminate that possiblity.
> --
> Neal
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:55:39 -0600
From: Cliff Cameron <>
Subject: % speed - which one?

The 5 speed in my 86 BII is getting pretty sick.  I have been looking
and there seem to be two types.  Mine has a stamped steel cover plate on
the bottom, while most of the ones I see have a finned aluminum plate.
Can I easily change styles?  If I find one like mine in a 2 wheel drive,
can I change the tailshaft housing to mate to the transfer case?

Thanks for any help



Date: 20 Aug 00 02:14:43 EDT
From: Tim Turner <>
Subject: Re: [  Obtaining non-Firestore replacements]

"Tom Watson" <> wrote:
> From what I've heard, there is some compensation if one chooses the
> non-Firestore approach.

FWIW Firestone has changed their line to the dealers over the course of the
week; Monday dealers would get "program price" reimbursement if the tires were
replaced with competitors tires, by Friday it was actual cost up to $20 over
program price.  Still no bargain for the retailer, but more palatable than the
original offer.  What compensation Firestone itself will make to consumers is
still undisclosed.  I expect more letters to the shop from Firestone as this
goes on; I'll try to post the pertinent details 'from the other side' as I see


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