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RE: FTE Pre61 - Welding Choices
Re: FTE Pre61 - Welders - TIG
FTE Pre61 - bed wood help
FTE Pre61 - More on Welders
FTE Pre61 - welding units
FTE Pre61 - heater/mirrors
Re: FTE Pre61 - oil bath to paper filter
Re: FTE Pre61 - Welders - TIG
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: 1 Million visitors



Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:25:38 -0600
From: Mike Morton
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Welding Choices

You can find them at

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Tulio []
> Sent:Saturday, January 30, 1999 3:10 PM
> Subject:FTE Pre61 - Welding Choices
> I can see from responses that the ARC welder (a unit that is a 220vlt
> plugin that arcs electrical current through a rod to the metal grounded
> by a grounding line) is satisfactory for most metal work and including
> some sheet metal work. I have a desire to work with Aluminum sheeting
> so I am still not clear weather I'm being told it will do that type of
> work?
> Where can I reach this Eastwood Company?
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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 04:43:01 PST
From: "mike omlin"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Welders - TIG

Hi everybody.....what makes a Tig machine capable of doing arc welding
is the power still use a stick holder and ground cable
like any other arc welding unit, it is just conected to the same power
supply that the tig unit uses.
The tig torch consist of a handle with a non consumable electrode made
of tungston...the arc is generated between this tungston electrode and
the workpiece creating a molten puddle of metal which you feed a rod
into much like gas welding.The torch also delivers a shielding gas
(usually either argon or helium) around the arc to prevent atomospheric
contamination.The amperage to the tig torch is controlled by a foot
peddle. The frequency control comes into play when you are doing
aluminum, which uses high frequency a/c to generate the molten puddle.
If you are interested in learning more about these processes the local
junior college or skill center usually offer classes and they are well
worth taking if you have a good size project going, or just drop by and
see what this equipment looks like.....
sorry for the rambling
Mike Omlin
somewhere near Seattle

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:07:23 -0500
From: Abe Stauffer
Subject: FTE Pre61 - bed wood help

Fellow truckers,
For those that need help putting in your wood bed tune in to "Trucks!"
on TNN. The next episode of "Trucks!" will have a part on the
construction of your wood bed. This should air on Sat and Sun
afternoons on TNN (The Nashville Network).
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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:53:02 -0500
From: eric
Subject: FTE Pre61 - More on Welders

Good points by all, I'll throw in a couple more here:

> >An ARC welder can do just about anything you want, as long as youre working
> >on a mild steel project. Producing a pretty and high quality weld though,
> >takes some practice. If youre going to be patchin' holes in your favorite
> >fender, my suggestion is to practice on an old fender first.
> >
> >A MIG unit is pretty much a brainless unit. Pull the trigger and drag the
> >arc. Once in a while, youll have to clean out the nozzle or maybe get some
> >wire unstuck.

MIG is rather easy to use, once the temp & wire speed are set correctly
(this comes with a little practice and varies with the types and
thicknesses of metal). But I wouldn't call it a 'brainless' unit -
rather, 'an easy-to-use and *affordable* unit' ;-)

> >Something else you should know, welding aluminum with MIG usually requires a
> >special spool attachment for your welding unit. Figure another $300 or so
> >added to the basic unit.

This sounds way high to me. The kit for my unit consists of two new
aluminum rollers and teflon insert - I'd be surprised if it approaches

> >A TIG welder will do just about anything. I've even seen razor blades
> >welded to together. It also uses inert gases to shield the arc but you use
> >a technique similar to gas welding. The welding torch in one hand and your
> >filler rod in the other. You can't get a much prettier weld but it takes
> >hours and hours of practice to get good at it.

I have never TIG welded but from what I hear, TIG is pretty nice. The
big "however" for the TIG is the cost which was way too cost prohibitive
for me. (I didn't even see a unit less than a grand!). I do understand
that TIGs can weld beer cans back together - but I haven't yet got that
need! ;-) Also, for me and my budget, I think these units should weld
stuff by itself! But I digress. ;-)

I researched the various products and asked a bunch of friends before I
bought my unit last year. I decided to go with a Craftman MIG welder.
(I have NO affiliation with Sears - I'm just pleased with this
product). It does everything I want it to do and I walked outta Sears
with it for $279US including taxes. The gas tank I purchased for about
$70 (one time purchase) and gas (CO2/Argon) is about $10 a fillup. I
have a friend who welds everything from sheetmetal to frames with his.
Granted, it takes a few passes of a MIG to weld a frame - but you have
to ask yourself what you intend for your welder to do. I needed mine
more for lighter work (sheetmetal and brackets) as compared to heavy
frame work - but I know that when I box my frame my MIG can do the
job...just a little more time...
It's hard for me to personnally vouche for the durability of the
Craftsman MIG, since I have only used it for 1 year but it's been
great. My friend, however, uses his every other day for 5 or 8 years
and has only fried the diodes - which he easily swapped out. (He says
'cuz he was welding rusty metal - which is a no-no anyway). Parts are
easily available, too.

My advice would be to the guy wanting to buy the stick (arc) welder and
then the MIG later, would be to forget the stick welder and apply that
money for the MIG. And get a MIG welder with the shielded gas bottle
and not the 'shielded wire' type - your weld will be much cleaner.
Besides, with the coated wire MIG units you'll have to clean the weld
and chip flux.... if you want to do that then buy an arc welder,
right?.... *Home arc welders can be found about 1/2 price of the home
MIGs, but may not be as easy to use for sheetmetal (but hey, use what
you got if you've already bought an arc. And as was pointed out by
other list members, there are various attachments that are made for arc
sheet metal welding). *-by 'Home' I don't mean cheapy, but a good unit
- - not 'industrial' either since the prices double and triple quickly.

FWIW, I have a oxy-acetelyne rig that I rarely use now that I bought my
MIG since it is so convient, easy to use, etc.... IMHO: dollar for
dollar you can't beat a MIG unit for the weekend restorer. I only wish
I had bought the MIG before my oxy-acet setup.

Another note, a couple of very competent hotrod buddies mentioned that
if you plan to do some heavy frame work set-up, like say, tack in an IFS
setup (which would hopefully be a ONE-TIME event) at home and then take
it to the local weld shop for a certified welder to finish (which is a
GREAT idea BTW), they have difficulty welding through arc welded
tacks...... they much more prefer MIG tack welds......

Hope this helps,
Eric 'Stitch'
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:59:39 EST
Subject: FTE Pre61 - welding units

Welding equipment is you get what you pay for BUT you need to know what you
want to use it for first. A $200.00 unit may be fine for your needs as a
hobbist it will be a flux cored wire unit. You can get a gas attachment for
most units which I recommend for sheet metal work. Get a good brand (lincoln)
they will hold up fine for again for the hobbist. A small name brand 110v unit
with gas attachment should bring you around $350-400. This should let you weld
up 1/4' easily. Use gas for the thin stuff and cored on the heaver stuff. Most
of all again you need to know your limatations.
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:15:07 -0000
From: "Paul A Young"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - heater/mirrors

1.) I've an effie '54 here in London and demisting is a problem. Is it just
seals, or is the system useless anyway and an air con system the only
2.) Anyone know where I can get round convex mirror replacements for my door
mirrors? I can mail order them if you know the place.
Many thanks, PY.

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:33:25 -0800
From: Philbert Desanex
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - oil bath to paper filter

> My 52 f1 has an oil bath air filter on a 2 barrel carb and I want to
>change it to a paper cartridge type. All the aftermarket assemblies I
>have seen have a hole for a 4 barrel carb. I have found reducer plates
>to make the hole 2 5/8". But the problem is that the carb does not have
>a hole in the center for a bolt to hold the filter on. The oil bath
>filter has a gear clamp that holds it on the carb. Unfortunately the
>reducer plate does not have provisions for a clamp. Has anyone had this
>problem? Is there a air filter assembly that I can remove from a wreck
>that would work better or is there a company that makes the proper part
>for the job?

I used to use a small (5 inch?) paper air filter on my flathead. Look
around for aftermarket VW stuff.


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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 05:05:40 -0000
From: "Ray Cardogno"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Welders - TIG

More like a fancy electronic torch that can adjust in intesity from a jewelers torch to a rosebud(high heat tip). The big difference from an arc welder is that no electrode filler material (welding rod) is transfered to the work through the arc. TIG means Tungsten Inert Gas. Tungsten just like in a light bulb. It does not burn up, but can withstand intense heat which fuses the metal together while the inert gas gently purges the area around the weld, keeping oxygen from oxidizing or burning the weld.

Good questions Tulio.

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On Mon, 01 Feb 1999 00:43:46 Tulio wrote:
>I want to thank all of you who have contributed to my knowledge in the
>understanding of what type of welders are good for the wannabe welder on
>a challenged budget. I wish could just choose what I wanted and just
>have it delivered to my garage....but... reality is I will have to hunt
>for a bargain and haul it myself! hehe..
>I had just one other question about those TIG welders... It seems they
>are electrical units? I mean.. turning down the 'frequency' whatever
>that is, makes it an arc welder and with the frequency up high the arc
>is pretty harmless to spark even through your fingernail as one person
>put it. So, it seems it is a fancy ARC welder of sorts?
>Tulio Solorzano
>'60 F-100 Custom Cab
>'79 HD Sportster
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 01:44:12 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: 1 Million visitors

Hi gang!

Its official! Just compiled the January logs and we
had our one millionth visitor to the Ford Truck
Enthusiasts web site late in the month. In our first
year, we had slightly over 100,000 visitors and over
900,000 in the second year.

Our monthly visitor growth has been about 19% since we
started. Current list membership hovers around 4,000.
Many had privately expressed a concern this past summer
about FTE's ability to handle the growth. We've taken
steps which we believe have been successful:

- - The BBS has offset the mailing list growth and made it
manageable. Hit and run subscribers aren't as common

- - The new classifieds are not only far more powerful,
they also require less of my time.

- - The new chat is virtually maintenance free (although
its difficult to use the first time around).

- - Ordering on the web site means I don't have to spend
time each evening checking the PO box (now we check on
Tuesdays and Saturdays). This has been very important
because cash flow was suffering again and we needed to
pay for the classifieds software and server upgrades
(the load is getting huge, close to 200,000 file hits
per day). Our costs have gone way up lately.

Pictorial submissions have gone way up recently too, with
as many as 10 pictorial submissions per week!

Look for more additions to our content as we continue to
grow. Thank you to everyone for making FTE the community
it has become! You're really a great bunch! Hope to
meet some of you at the Pigeon Forge Supernationals.

Ken Payne

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