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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Fair Weather Trucks - My 2 Cents
Re: FTE Pre61 - Truck Year
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE Pre61 - What to do next
RE: FTE Pre61 - What to do next
FTE Pre61 - Rear Suspensions
FTE Pre61 - '56 spare tire rack.



Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:08:27 -0400
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Fair Weather Trucks - My 2 Cents

While my old truck is a long way from a pristine restored truck
(take a look at it in the Pictorial Section!) , I didn't get Grover as
just a resto project. He's going to have to earn his keep here at
Neighbors' Half Acre. I admit I will opt for the front drive family
Tempo when the roads get bad, I ahve every intention of driving the
truck whenever I don't have it disassembled and scattered in pieces on
my driveway.
If I ever get Grover restored to show condition (and I hope I do!)
we'll be driving to the shows because I don't think the Tempo will make
much of a tow vehicle...

- --
Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:50:14 -0400
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Truck Year

Joe got this # off the hogs head 7A12 did not see any other # any were.

55 F100

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From: Joe Michels
Date: Saturday, September 19, 1998 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Truck Year

>Ken-- Get me the code off the rear end and I can tell you the gear ratio!
>Looks like the codes could be either alpha numeric, ie., A76 or just plain
>numbers, 78.
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Truck Year
>> Date: Saturday, September 19, 1998 9:32 PM
>> Joe thanks yes the reason I asked is I want to use the rear-end out of
>> Thank You.
>> Ken Marty
>> 55 F100
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe Michels
>> To:
>> Date: Saturday, September 19, 1998 10:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Truck Year
>> >Ken-- I think that I have the answer for you-- This data comes from the
>> >"Ford Pickup Red BooK" by Motorcraft International--
>> >
>> > #F10DE714880
>> >
>> > F10= F100
>> > D= Engine code, in this case, 352 ci V8
>> > E= Assembly Plant Code, E= Mahwah New Jersey
>> > 714880= Consecutive Production Sequence Number, in this case, the book
>> >says that
>> > your truck was built in July 1965.
>> >
>> >OK, So here is what I think that you have, now that we integrate all of
>> >pieces--
>> >
>> > You have a 1965 F100 Ford Pickup with a 352 ci V8, Made in Mahway New
>> >Jersey in July 1965. Why July, you ask? The book says that production
>> >sequence numbers 708000-719999 were made in July.
>> >
>> > Does this data appear to track with what you think that you have, saw,
>> >wished for?!!!!!!
>> >
>> >Joebob
>> >
>> >----------
>> >> To: Ford Truck List
>> >> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Truck Year
>> >> Date: Saturday, September 19, 1998 7:13 PM
>> >>
>> >> Can anybody tell me what Year Truck this is from the vin # F10DE714880
>> >> tell me were to found the information for it.
>> >> Thank You
>> >>
>> >> Ken Marty
>> >> 55 F100
>> >>
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:49:22 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Web site updates

Sept 20th Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site updates:

1. Several links have been added.
2. Correction made to formula in carb tech article.
3. Following added to pictorial:
1978 F100 Ranger
1995 F350
1989 F150
1988 Bronco II
1971 F250

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:46:25 -0400
From: Jack Fleming
Subject: FTE Pre61 - What to do next

Gurus of the list:

Well, we finally have our '54 F100 on the road. This truck was
significantly modified by a previous owner, and we've had to undo a lot of
things to get it running and through the PA inspection process. But now
I'm really wondering where we should try to go with this thing..... The
truck has a 351C and C-6. The engine has been hot rodded (has an odd
looking high rise manifold and an as yet unidentified 4V carb, chromed
Edelbrock valve covers, etc.... Its very loud despite a brand new exhaust
system. The engine runs at about 200-210 degrees water temp, but heat from
the engine compartment comes into the cab like a blast furnace. I've bought
some foil-backed firewall insulation, but haven't put it in yet. The
radiator is almost definitely NOT original, but looks to be a bit oversized
from what the original would have been given its mounting. The fan shroud
has been chopped (hacked) back in spots for no really obvious reason.

I bought this truck as a present for my 73 yr old Dad, who is having a ball
with it. Its intended as a toy, not to be totally restored, but driven
safely around town for fun. Unfortunately, neither he nor I are very
mechanically experienced, and I'm having to have a lot of the work on the
truck done professionally. Now comes the real issue - I'm really wondering
if I shouldn't look into replacing the 351C with something a little simpler
and more practical. I'd almost certainly have to have the swap done by a
pro, but I'm wondering a couple of things: 1. what's the chances I could
swap someone the 351C for another (smaller) engine - our engine runs well,
its just too much for the intended use of our truck. 2. given the C-6
tranny I currently have, what other engines would this tranny bolt up to
with minimal alteration.

Finally, to really show my ignorance, someone needs to help me out with the
subframing on this thing. The front end of the original chasis was cut
off, and the front end from a '61 galaxy was welded on to the truck. We
had a $%# of a time identifying it, as it needed a new steering box, front
brakes and wheel cylinders in order to pass inspection. Now with the new
steering box its a bit better, but still really hard to steer. Is it
possible to re-subframe this thing? Is cutting off the frame like this one
is the "normal" method of doing an IFS? I'd love to be able to go to disk
brakes and power steering on this thing, but really don't know where to
start. Any and all suggestions gladly welcome

Jack Fleming
'54 F100

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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:29:13 -0000
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - What to do next


Most of what you describe about the engine is cosmetic, do you know it has
be 'hot rodded' as you say or are you just going by what it looks like? 351c
is a good motor, have you thought about maybe changing out a few of the
parts on the Cleveland and keeping it? If you want to find out if it has
been significantly altered, take it to someone who can check compression,
valves, etc. An engine swap like you are talking about can be expensive, if
you can keep what you got, do it.

The subframe can be a nightmare also, depending on how good a job was done
before. It is very common to cut the frame and replace it, also very
expensive. If there is no problem with the current setup other than the
steering you mentioned, I would try to find out if there is a way to put
power steering on the existing frame. Any number of aftermarket parts places
can provide you with the info. on disc brakes, power steering etc., it is an
odd frame graft and may cause you some trouble finding parts to work. There
are interchange manuals available that may help you out with this.

As far as what motor will work with your C6 I can't really help you with
that. My opinion would be to keep as much of what you have already as you
can if you don't have the experience (or a bunch of good friends w/exp) to
do the work yourself. To go as far as re-subing the front and swapping
motors, depending on what you paid for the truck, might be better off
getting another truck more suited to what you had in mind. Sorry so
long....hope it helps, good luck and have fun!

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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:41:28 EDT
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Rear Suspensions


My next project is the rear end on Soapy (not me)! I am probably going to
flip the rear axle to gain the 4" drop needed to match the front. This is
looking better than I had envisioned. My question is this: how much clearance
is needed to keep the axle from hitting the frame? I measured about 8" before
removing the wheels and lowering the rear of the frame to match the front.
With the original mount, the drums are now on the ground! Flipping the axle
should get me all the distance I need, but I will loose about 4" of clearance.
Is this a problem? If the frame is "notched", how much strength will be lost
in the frame, even with boxing? And how much strength is lost resting the
weight of the truck on the 8 bolts instead of the axle? I would like to keep
some trailer towing capacity (at least 1000#, maybe as much as 2500#). Is
this feasible?

Also, if anyone is familiar with the angle 4 bar set up on the Lincoln Town
Car, can this system be integrated on the original frame?

Is there yet another approach to this that I am not seeing? I'm on a tight
budget, but I'll consider anything. I have gotten many good tips from the
Pre61 list. Keep it coming!

Another project down the road, has anybody ever used the factory wiring
harness from a donor vehicle? This could be another $1000 cost savings!

Thanks again for all the help I have received from FTE. You guys are the

Glenn in TN
Soapy the 57 F-100
"If you don't change direction, you'll wind up where you're headed."
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:48:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: (R. Pietsch)
Subject: FTE Pre61 - '56 spare tire rack.

Hi Lori. I have been delinquint in reading my mail for about a week,
but if you are looking for the rack that mounts on the left fender, I
have one of them up in the attic. Let me know if you want it. maybe we
can make a deal.

Rix56 'The Rat'

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