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fordtrucks-digest Saturday, March 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 082

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In this issue:

junk yards [Rich Garber ]
Re: junk yards [KLaff61624 ]
RE: new motor start-up [Alec Fernandez ]
1956 F800 ["Arden J. Nelson" ]
Re: new motor start-up [Josh Hamilton ]
Re: ram-horn manifold [Karl Cunningham ]
Re: 51 F5 Shop Manual [Justin McCrite ]
Re: 460-gas mileage? [Cathy Greenlaw ]
Re: new motor start-up [Cathy Greenlaw ]
Re: [Cathy Greenlaw ]
460 Performance? [PhatStang ]



Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:31:38 -0600
From: Rich Garber
Subject: junk yards

>Hello All,
>Don't ya just love SPRING? It was a wonderful day to visit a new
>place today. Got some much needed parts and now have a few questions
>on what I found. I saw a 56 with a hood ornament that I havn't seen
>before, it was 15" or so long, with an indian head. Was this an
>option? If so on what years?
>Second question, I also found a 55 custom cab, the vent windows are
>stainless steel. Is this only on a 55 or did 54 have these as well?
>This is an F350, will they fit an F100?
>I also found a radio in, I think a 57, its about 2.5" round with the
>volume and tuning knob underneith. The knobs are missing, but other
>than that, I think its all there. Any one need one?
>I did find two dome lights for 53-55 any one need one?
>Please E-mail me off list if you need the above. These parts are still
>setting in the yard. I don't know when I'll get back there, but it will
>be soon. This guy was very reasonable with the parts I bought and Im not
>looking to make money, just helping out.
>It was a GOOD day!
>54 F100


Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:12:48 EST
From: KLaff61624
Subject: Re: junk yards

What type of 56 truck was it. I looking for a big window cheap.


Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:02:20 -0500
From: Alec Fernandez
Subject: RE: new motor start-up

The one thing I would add to this is to pack the oil pump and pickup tube
with vaseline
before you assemble it. This will make it more likely that you'll be able
to prime it with
the drill motor. Sometimes you can't pull the oil up from the pan if the
pump is full of
If you've already assembled it then I would overfill the oil pan until you
can get the oil
pump primed, then drain off however much extra you put in before you crank

Nothing like starting a newly rebuilt motor for the first time. My '56 223
is in the shop
right now, just got the head back to the tune of $900, can't wait to see the
bill on the
bottom end.

Happy motoring,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cathy Greenlaw []
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 1998 9:16 PM
> To:
> Subject: new motor start-up
> Josh Hamilton wrote:
> > I just got through rebuilding a 1959 223 for my truck. Does anybody
> have
> > any advice about getting it ready for its first try at cranking up?
> >
> > The best advice I've got is to prelube the motor by running the oil pump
> > with a drill motor if possible, make sure the ignition is in near
> correct
> > time, and that the cooling system is full and ready to work.Pour some
> gas
> > into the carburator bowl thru the air vent so it's full, try not to get
> > any in the engine. I like to add a lttle bit, about two or 3 capfulls,
> of
> > either ATF or Mystery oil to the inital carb fill. Start the motor,
> check
> > for oil pressure and run it at very fast idle 2000-2500 rpm for at least
> > 10 minutes and then vary the speed up and down from 1500 to 3000 for
> > another 10.( If the cam is used, not new, you only need the 1st 10min.)
> > Constantly check for leaks, overheating or oil pressure loss. After 10
> or
> > 20 minutes, let it idle if it will, and make the final timing and carb
> > adjustments. This assumes that all bearings, pistons, rockers and such
> > were assembled using plenty of oil soak or assembly lube. The reason for
> > the high idle speed is make sure that the cam, piston pins and rockers
> get
> > a real good oil splash, being "nice" to a new motor is bad news.
> 47 Fred
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:57:18 -0500
From: "Arden J. Nelson"
Subject: 1956 F800

I have a 1956 Ford F800 dump truck that I have reclaimed from
the rain and moss in Washington. Where it had been sitting for
the last 13+years. Needless to say it was a bit rusty as well as
green. Anyway, I have a question. Does anyone know the
sequence of adjustments for the Hydro-vac for the brake system.
I have bled the brakes and want to do the same on the Hydro-vac
but have been told by some backyard mechanics that their is
a sequence that must be followed. So, if this is true can anyone
help me?? Thanks. Arden


Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:44:40 -0600
From: Josh Hamilton
Subject: Re: new motor start-up

Thanks I will follow you advice. I appreciate it. I have done this
once but the first time took a little bit to get it started. I'll keep
you updated on how it goes.



Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:57:24 -0800
From: Karl Cunningham
Subject: Re: ram-horn manifold

Ken --

I wasn't the guy looking for them. They are rare. To give you an
indication of price, I paid $15 for a pair about 20 years ago at a swap
meet. I've seen a couple pairs in the $100 range since then at swap meets.
Look them over carefully for cracks.

Karl Cunningham
1960 F250 factory 4x4

You wrote on Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:15:27 EST --

>Ram style exhaust manifolds that fit a ford Y-block...... Someone was on ford
>chat and looking for a pair. I've found some, and am trying to find out who
>was looking for them and how much should I be prepaired to offer for them.
>If they are rare, and I believe that they are, and I can't find out who
>them, I may buy then to put in my parts bin for a future date. I do mean
>future because I don't have a Y-block and don't have any plans to have one
>right now. Ken L.


Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:10:01 -0700
From: Justin McCrite
Subject: Re: 51 F5 Shop Manual

Mac's is also on the net at: .

davet wrote:

> Here's a couple places that sell shop manuals for 1948 to 70s Ford trucks.
> The first place also carries an identification guide for Ford trucks that
> may help identify hood trim original colors.
> Mac's Antique Auto Parts
> P.O. Box 1217
> Lockport, NY 14095-1217
> Phone: 1-800-777-0948
> Fax: 716-433-1172
> Obsolete Ford Parts, Inc.
> 8701 South I-35
> Oklahoma City, OK 73149
> Phone: (405) 631-3933 / 1-800-654-3247
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:32:51 -0500
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re: 460-gas mileage?

PhatStang wrote:

> I know the 460 Ford is a vry popular engine in the early 50's trucks. I
> maybe want to put one in, bt i want to know what im getting into first. So if
> anyone can tell me whjat the gas mileage ford one of those 460s is i would
> greatly appreciate it.
> Maybe you can get 12 -15, but I'm thinking 9-12. After Hershey last year I drove
> a '48 cabover built on a '85 F350 frame with a 460 and C-4 to New Hampshire it
> averaged 10MPG, but could pass anyone you wanted to. Another friend of mine has
> a late 80's F250 with CFI, he gets 12, loaded or light.


Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:43:12 -0500
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re: new motor start-up

Alec Fernandez wrote:

> The one thing I would add to this is to pack the oil pump and pickup tube
> with vaseline
> before you assemble it.

I suppose this would work, I would be weary of duping Vasoline into some small
oil passage in the crank or somewhere, I suppose most of it would go in the
filter. When I assemble a new oil pump, I just pour some oil into it and put it
on, and never had a problem. I should mention that you often need a reversable
drill motor to prime the pump. I like to went nuts once with a 302, and almost
took the pan back off until I reversed the drill.47 Fred


Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:53:11 -0500
From: Cathy Greenlaw
Subject: Re:

Fagerholm wrote:

> I have a 55 ford f-250 that I aquired from my grandfather. I got it for
> free so I figure may be worth the effort of restoring. I'm thinkingabout
> putting in a 1975 360 and then
> later boring it to a 390.
> If anyone asked my opinion, and they didn't, the only reason I can think to
> put a 360 (or a 390) into anything, is if the the engine was new and free
> like the truck. It's a boat anchor, burns gas to beat hell, costs a fortune
> for performance parts and weighs two tons. I'd go for a 427 or 428 only
> 'cause they got enough power to make up for the other liabilities. Why not
> think about a 351 Windsor or, if you can find one a Cleveland. Both of these
> motors, especially the Windsor make cheap power and will fit much nicer.

47 Fred


Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:49:18 EST
From: PhatStang
Subject: 460 Performance?

Hry all of yall out there, got another question about the 460. I was
wondering how good a performer it is. I know the saying nothing beats cubic
inches, but thruthfully, what kind of stuff can you get for it. (accessories
wise). I was just wonder. Also, anyone who has any opinion about the 460,
what so ever, please respond.



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