fordtrucks-digest Wednesday, April 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 110

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In this issue:

Re - rear tanks on 56 []
priority punch list []
Re: priority punch list ["Bill Hale" ]
F1100 ["Piegat, Tim" ]
Rust!! ["Nathan Schaupp" ]
Parts Sources ["Mike Morton "]
rear fuel tank [MichellHC ]
56 door locks [MichellHC ]
chrome [Scott ]
truck for sale [Scott ]
Pumps, Pins, Tanks, & Tumblers [Ray Cardogno ]
Biggest Ford Trucks [MichellHC ]
50 tranny [jc & terry ]
ADMIN: Pardon our mess [Ken Payne ]
56 fenders [David Stokes ]



Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re - rear tanks on 56


this might be exactly what you are looking for but....

I used a mid 60 mustang tank mounted in a frame of 1" square tubing,
between frame rails in a 53 F-100. Had to move the rear cross member
back to the end of the frame and I turned it over.

The mustang tank is about 18 gallons and the fillhole is in the middle
on top. I plan to mount the filler in the middle of the bed floor
close to the tailgate. I would think that filler tube could be snaked
around to the left fender though. Although you might have to "C"
the frame rail to get the tube over to the fender. There are several
articles in Classic Truck and other mags (which I don't have with me
at work) on different tank mounting. One uses a Isuzu Trooper tank.
I'll look them up tonight and post tomorrow for you.


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: priority punch list

O.K. all you experienced project truck builders

I'm one of those people who is doing a frame off build up of a 53
f-100. First time ever attempted a project like this

I've given it a lot of thought and have a good idea where I'm going
but once or twice already I've gotten tangled up in my underwear and
had to back up and do some things over...

Read everything I can find and asked a million questions of everyone I
can find and gathered a lot of information, but I've never seen anyone
write an article that gives an "outline" or timeline of what to do in
what sequence

i.e. 1. prep the frame 2. do the ifs stuff 3. do the rear end
stuff 4 do the engine/tran mounts 5. mount the cab....etc

the basic stuff is pretty no brain but I'm sure there is a sequence
that would help down the road when doing the cab work, wiring, a/c
work etc... like paint before or after doing the wiring...where does
the interior get completed...etc

anybody care to offer any suggestions or write a article for the tech
section of the website...

it would sure help me and I bet a lot of others...

come on you gurus give it up !!!

thanks john


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:55:32 -0400
From: "Bill Hale"
Subject: Re: priority punch list

I'm in the same situation. Sure would be nice if someone knows of a "rebuild
your F-1 truck from the frame up" manual showing details and such....If
anybody knows of one please post. If not, and you have done this procedure,
why not publish one and sell it? It would make beginners like me happy and
also possibly make you a nice chunk of change.....
Just my thoughts,
- -


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:06:25 -0600
From: "Piegat, Tim"
Subject: F1100

I have some fond memories of an F1100 in a junk yard I used to visit, for it
supplied a number of items for my 54 F100. As one comment noted, the hood and
underhood space was truly huge. What was even more amazing was the 534 cubic
inch V8 that FILLED the engine compartment. I believe these motors produced
horsepower in the 200s, at 3200 - 3400 RPM. It has a Y-block design that is
instantly recognizable by anyone familiar with Lincoln, Y-Block, FE, and MEL
motors. Dual stage thermostat cooling system and a built in oil cooler are
features of this very attractive engine, especially the marine versions equipped
with chrome valve covers. Good news for lovers of FORD engines; I asked an older
gent friend of mine about the 534. He has had considerable experience with
racing, construction machinery, moving mobile homes, and propane trucks. He also
loves GM products. Anyway, Don said that the 534 was appreciated by truckers as
an extremely powerful and reliable engine. He spoke very highly of their service
in large fleets. The 534 also had a smaller 477 version. It competed against a
638 inch GMC V8, a 478 V6, a 500+ GMC straight 6, and a 702 inch V12 made from
two 351 V6s (achieved 3mpg). Considering such a formidable array of iron, it's
quite a testimony that the 534 was so well received. These behemoths all passed
from the scene because they could not match the fuel efficiency of diesels. If
only I could find an excuse to get one that my wife would accept!


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:46:56 PDT
From: "Nathan Schaupp"
Subject: Rust!!

Friends and enemies,

Rust is our enemy and I have some, I have a 1955 F-100 and I have some
Rust! How can I remove this RUst from my truck?

Nathan Schaupp



Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:45:00 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: Parts Sources

Does anybody know if Gibbon F100, Gibbon Ne. or Fairlane Company, St.
Johns Mi. are still in Business?


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:09:47 EDT
From: MichellHC
Subject: rear fuel tank

Thanks for the tip, I guess I should have made myself a little more clear. I
am running a 71 Boss 351 C eng. in the truck. I just wanted to move the tank
out of the cab not only for the sake of safety, but also because I got tired
of hearing it slosh around. Still looking for a good tank that will fit the
rear. I have seem many aftermarket tanks, but I am jsut as sure that there i
something I could pick up at the junk yard that would fit well and be just as



Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:10:19 EDT
From: MichellHC
Subject: 56 door locks

both trucks are correct. Standard cab trucks came with only a door lock
cylender on the passenger side, while Custon cabs came with door lock
cylenders on both sides.
Michelle C.


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:25:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott
Subject: chrome

Hey guys, just got back me nice looking chrome bumper, grill and hood
grill! Man they look so good. Just had to share that with someone
who would appriciate it. (my mom takes very little in the truck)
BTW, it's a 52 F-1. Later. Pics of it will be on my page soon.


1952 Ford Pickup
Please take a look at my 1952 Ford Pickup Page:


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:02:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott
Subject: truck for sale

Just looking through the paper and I found this truck for sale:
52 Ford 1/2ton truck, no motor/trans, deluxe 5 star, gd solid body,
$850 obo
That is in Canadian currency too!


1952 Ford Pickup
Please take a look at my 1952 Ford Pickup Page:


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:13:19 -0400
From: Ray Cardogno
Subject: Pumps, Pins, Tanks, & Tumblers


>>>>>>Alec wrote>
Could it be that these old fuel pumps don't self prime? That
>would stink if you ever ran out of gas after moving the tank
>to a position lower than the fuel pump.


All my 53-55 fords will prime from a dry line with the tank underneath.
I've been there too many times. None of my gas gauges work :-) 56 uses same
pump as 55 (or at least the 55 will work in the 56 engine). 54 was


>>>>Gary wrote>
>While driving I need to use both arms and hold my breath. I
>see that the bearings need to be tightened, can't tell about king pins
>until I adjust the bearings. The tires are 6.00 X 16s, not too big. I
>am not sure what to check next. I haven't measured the alignment yet,
>which might be contributing to the wandering. Any ideas what I should
>check for? I want to keep the wheels and hub caps original so I don't
>want to put a different front end on.
>Maybe power steering but it seems like I should make sure there isn't a
>problem first. Maybe this is normal.
>Thanks in advance, Gary

Had one of those once. Twas rusty pins - same symptoms. Constantly counter
steering cause you force it slightly in either direction and it wanted to
keep going that way. It was so stiff it couldn't normalize straight on the

Tanks (as in beasts) ...

>>>>>>From: Dan Koster
>Subject: Re: largest that Ford made - Contest
>Who here has the largest Ford? (not running o.k.)

I have a 54 (ugly) F-700
Ray C


>>>>>>From: David Stokes
>Subject: 56 door locks
>One of my 56's has a locking drivers door, and the other one does not have
>a lock on the drivers side. Was this a special ordered option in 1956?
>And which one is more valuable? Any
>thoughts would be greatly appreciated

They added the second lock on the custom cabs. The one without the drivers
lock is more valuable as an aide to burning extra calories.

Ray C (whewww..)


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:58:45 EDT
From: MichellHC
Subject: Biggest Ford Trucks

I checked the parts manual. I found that for 51 and 52 the F-8 was the
biggest. Starting in 53 the F-900 was top dog, with the C-series only going as
high as a C-800. In 54 both the C and the F series was available in the 900
series, and the 900 continued to be the largest in the 50s. The new cab styles
for 1957 did not include a cabover model, but in 1958 Ford came out with an
all new cabover that looked nothing like the F series of the same year. The
new cabover retained the C series designation and only with in the last year
or so has that original 58 design been retired. In 1961 Ford started putting
diesels in their trucks. The sixties also saw the birth of Fords H series and
the N series. The H series also called a stacked cab by some people was a C
series cab stacked on some skirting and the wheel well area was made into a
tool box. These trucks were considerably taller than a regular C series truck.
This was Fords first attempt to seriously compete for the heavy truck over the
road market with the big names such as Kenworth, Peterbuilt, Mack, ect. These
trucks were mostly used as truck tractors for pulling trailers, they came in
both gas and diesel models. The H series was produced from 1961 to 1966,
series included H-850 to H-1000. The N series was a throwback to the old ford
cabovers of the fifties. They were a Ford cab that looked much like the F
series cabs of the same year, but sat much higher, and had a short rounded off
hood, I think they are commonly called cab forward. They had an engine cover
that extended rearward from the firewall into the cab, this was called a
doghouse. The N series was produced from 1963 to 1969 and came in both diesel
or gas versions. their models included N-500 through N-1100. The N series was
replaced with the L series in 1969 The designation L came form the city of
Louisville Ky. where the trucks were produced. The Louisville truck plant
became the plant where all the Ford heavy trucks were produced. The L series
Fords are still being produced. The H series I had talked about earlier was
replaced by the Ford W series in late 1966. The W series was a boxie looking
square cabbed truck and was commonly called the west coast cab. The W series
stayed in the line up until 1978 when it was replaced by the CL series. CL
stands for Cabover Louisville and is still in production. This was Fords
futuristic over the road tractor, it incorporated a lot of the features that
was found in the turbine powered concept truck that Ford built in the late

For many years the only way you could tell if a Ford had a diesel or gas
engine was to raise the hood, or tilt the cab. Today all Ford heavy trucks are
numbered so you can tell just by there series number, for example an F-800 is
gas the same truck with a diesel is an F-8000, that holds true with all
series, C, L ect. Also any time you see a T in the designation like CT, or FT
the T stands for tandem axel a single letter as F would mean a single axel.

I think the 1100 series was the largest numerical number used in Ford trucks
but not 100% positive. Any way I hope this has answered any questions you
might have had, I guess I got a little carried away with this, but after I got
started I just could not stop. I had learned a lot of this from my dad, he was
a Ford mechanic for years and in the trucking business later in life. He had
all Ford trucks of course. As bad as I hate to tell this I did get a little
help from my husbands Ford truck parts manuals.

Michelle C.


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:08:48 -0700
From: jc & terry
Subject: 50 tranny

During the 50s, hot rodders
would use larger components from the Lincoln version of these transmissions to
gain the performance and reliability they needed for hot engines.

i appreciate this explanation. also the info about the lincoln parts. tell
us more.

T-bird Terry


Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:33:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Pardon our mess

Our web site news....

Well, the new server is live. It caught me by surprize. Internic
usually takes 2-3 weeks to update a DNS entry to I applied today
to get the domain transferred over. I figured this would give
my a week or two to get everything working. Well, just when you
thought you could count on an organization to be slow they did
the update in 8 hours!

So now the new server is active, but many things on it will be
broken for the next few days (including chat, sorry). Current
list services are paid for through May 18th so I have 4 weeks
to get the new mailing lists working. One item in the works, a
Performance/Hot Rod Ford truck list, if there is enough support.

Grin and bear it, the site will be back to normal ASAP. Sorry
if I ignore the list administration for a few days.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Stokes
Subject: 56 fenders

I have a chance to purchase some rear fenders for my 56. My issue is that
the fenders for sale came off of 56 F100 long bed. Are the rear fenders
from a long bed the same size as those on a short bed. I have been
checking around and 50% say yes and 50% say no. So it is time to go to
the experts. Can anybody help me out?


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