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pre61-list Digest Wed, 05 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 046

In This Issue:
Steering mount
Getting a motor
Re: Horns
window installation
Re: Looking for 4sp/5sp tranny
Ford Show
Grill Gard
steering column
Re: window installation
Ford cruisin'
Re: steering column
Re: Ford Show
Sway Bar Source
Gas Tank Info Needed
Re: Chopped top
Re: Chopped top
Re: Flooring


Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:56:13 EDT
Subject: Steering mount


I am thinking (rethinking -- anybody else done this?) about how to mount the
steering column from the Town Car into my 57. This is not a tube type column.
It has sort of an "H" structure that has four mounting points at the ends of
the "H". Heres my dilemma: I need to make a bracket out of angle iron (about
2" wide) to run between the bottom of the dash and the firewall. I will also
need to drop some tubing down from this angle iron bracket to where the
steering column will sit. It might be as far as a 5" drop. Will this be a
problem with flexing in this bracing? It will have power steering, so that
will take some of the stress. Has anyone else tried something akin to this?
Do I need to get a tube column from a late model truck that will match the
automatic shift pattern of my AOD?

Glenn in TN


From: "Vierra, William BGI SF">
Subject: Getting a motor
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:20:06 -0700

For at least 10 months now I have looking for, contemplating replacing the
motor in my 51 F1. It had a 71 302 with 66 289 heads and a two barrel from
an unknown donor car. The motor was tired and the compression low. A
little over two months ago I purchased an 84 high output 302 from a wreaking
yard with a 100 day guarantee. Though this would be good. Although the
motor was out of a Mustang as near as I could tell it had the truck oil pan
on it which I wanted.

Well the motor went in on a Sunday and came back out the next Saturday.
Stupid is as Stupid does, I had neglected to remove the transmission pilot
bearing and there was no way the torque converter on the C4 was going in.
Took the motor out again since the rear cross member is in the way of
removing the transmission. Got the bearing out and put the motor back in.
Got almost everything bolted back up and decided to check the compression.
There was none. Called the wreaker and they made good, but motor had to
come back out.

Now have an 85 302 with all the changes to make it run a carburetor. Put
the motor in on the 11th of last month and decided to again check the
compression before starting up. Very low compression, very frustrated. At
this point my loving wife asked "could the compression tester be bad?"
Tested it on two other vehicles and guess what works great with the large
spark plugs not well at all with the small spark plugs. Never really had
that problem before but I am always learning. Has anyone else had that
problem?? It's a screw in type compression tester and has o-rings to seal
it. I bought it from Sears and will take it back to them to see about
returning it. Because it tests both sizes the small o-rings seem to ride up
as it is screwed in.

Worked two weeks ago on Thursday and Friday evening trying to get it
started. Checked many things and ran down the battery both nights. Figured
out I had the distributor wired incorrectly late Friday.

Got the motor started on the following Saturday but it ran terribly would
not accelerate. To late, to tired to diagnose so stayed up thinking about
it. Sunday morning reconnected the vacuum advance correctly and runs pretty
darn good for being timed by ear. Last night I actually timed it and it
runs well at idle but pings and pops at about 25 MPH. Believe the timing is
set wrong and will reset it tonight at 6 degrees after TDC.

From now on I will try not to go 15 years between pulling motors. Forgot
all the fun it could be. Its also frustrating when you seem to only have
two to three hours every two weeks to work on it.

Also as a result of all this I have a $75.00 credit at the wreaking yard
that I will most likely never use. This is from a Ford Truck only yard near
Sacramento California that has mostly later model trucks. So if any of you
might have a need for something from a newer truck I would be happy to see
about transferring the credit.

I also have the 71 302 that I will give to anyone interested that is in
Northern California in the Bay area.


Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:24:10 EDT
Subject: Re: Horns

Thanks for the reply. Always good to hear from another F4 lover. It gets
lonely amongst all these F1's. Regards,


Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:50:50 -0700
From: Kurt Stokke>
Subject: window installation

Anyone know where I can find tips/instructions for installing window kit
for 53-56 F100? I have all the parts when I bought vehicle.

55 F100


Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:49:28 -0700
From: "Ray Cardogno">
Subject: Re: Looking for 4sp/5sp tranny

Remember my grinding tranny in my 48 F-6? Well I am trying to find a replacement tranny, hopefully a 5 speed but a 4 will do. I am in Central massachusetts. Anybody in New England area got one for sale?

Ray C

PS Although not the tranny I am looking for, something great happened to me while looking locally. I stumbled upon a complete 1952 F-750 that had been upgraded to a 50's y-block and it has the elusive 5 speed overdrive tranny in it! I had looked for one of those for years before giving up. Now I found one just about in my back yard! My 54 C-600 is going to smile when I get around to upgrading it!

Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail.


Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 03:22:44 EDT
Subject: Ford Show

I am the owner of a driveable 57 F-100, and much as I am wanting to finish
fully restoring it, "Happiness" sits in my driveway, awaiting it's turn on
the list o' things to do. I was reading my daily T-Bird list and came upon
this message! I thought it was worth sharing for those in the So Cal area.
BTW I made it to the PF Show 2 yrs ago and it was great! Got my Tried, True
and Ford Blue bumper sticker from Ken's booth.

From: "Robert C. Claborne">
Subject: Fabulous Fords Forever
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 07:06:07 -0700
All Lists:
If you are lucky enough to live in So. Cal, Sunday, April 9 is the date for
the biggest all Ford show on the Left Coast. Fabulous Fords Forever at
Knott's Berry Farm; this year featuring the 45th Anniversary of the
Construction at the park severely limited participation this year (a mere
1600)! So if you're not already registered with your yellow entry card in
hand; you're not getting your car into the show; but you can come as a
spectator for free.
Again this year, the FunBirds of Southern California are hosting the
Mini-Concours sponsored by T-Bird by Nick. Another benefit of membership.
Come check out 150 Thunderbirds of all years among 1600 Fords including the
2001 Concept.
*** FunBirds of Southern California ***
Bob Claborne
9862 Aldgate Ave.
Garden Grove, CA 92841
714-539-7509 v
714-539-8894 f
Thanks for letting me share this notice.


Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 04:26:55 -0500
From: "MARK AMES">
Subject: Grill Gard

A few days ago someone was asking about a grill guard for a 54. I have a 56 F100 that came with the grill gard it attaches through the same bolts on top of the bumper and there are two braces that go through the gravel pan there are two round holes cut in this to allow the braces to pass through and attach to the frame. I don't know it the 56 is the same as the 54 grill gard. I also have another rare option a hood scoop off of a 56 F750 BIG JOB truck. How many of these have anyone else seen. I know of one other one on a F800 milk tanker truck that is still in use. One other question last year in the Street Rodder Magazine Y-block engine build series a adapter for a C4 to a Y-block was announced. I know the car setup is available, has anyone heard if the truck kit is ready ? Gotta go to bed there's a auction tomorrow with a 56 F100 on it that Im going to. It sounds like its a "rough" truck so I might have some parts to sell.
56 M100, 56 F350 BBW, 57 C750, 77 F150


From: "Mangor Krogstad">
Subject: steering column
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:05:18 -0500

Does any one have a blowup of a G.M. steering column with tilt.I have a
column out of a 78 Chevy van and I'm treing to remove the outer housing so I
can get rid of the shifter junk .I have a outer house from a 4sp. truck to
replace itwith.I just want to replace the collar that the shift lever
attaches to. I have check all the manuals and can't find any thing on
rebuilding the column.
Thanks for any help


Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:05:51 -0400
From: Abe Stauffer>
Subject: accesories

Jim and others:
The grille guards were dealer installed. I am not sure what they looked
like but I will check my Ford Truck from 1923 to 197??? book. Pictured
in this are a lot of big trucks at work. I think they were attached to
the frame rail horns behind the bumper. Where can you get one today?
Swap meet, junk yard with big trucks, or place an ad on the classifieds
on the FTE page. Spare tires on '54 were under the bed between the frame
rails. There was a spare tire hanger that held the tire in place that
ran diagonally from rail to rail. This had a big (I mean big) wing nut
that when removed allowed the hanger to drop down to remove the tire.
The spare tire on the left rear fender was not an option until 1955.
Place an ad in the classifieds for a hanger.
Abe '54 F-100
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:53:16 -0500
From: "James L. Dobrovolny">
Subject: accesories

I'm a new '54 F100 owner as of August '99 and have been lurking on this
list since then. I am amazed at the wealth of knowledge out there and
want to thank the admin people for making this work. I have two
questions. First, what can anyone tell me about grill guards for my "54?
Were they put on by the dealers, what did they look like, and how were
they attached, and where can I get one today? Second, were there spare
tires attached, and if so where and how, and where can I get the parts
to do so?
Jim Dobrovolny


From: "Gary L. Perry">
Subject: Re: window installation
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:14:36 -0500

Your regular Ford Truck shop manuals and a parts drawing should have
good instructions. The old Mans. covered a lot more than any new ones.
Most Venders have them and FTE site sells them also.


Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:20:36 -0600
From: "Janet Herron">
Subject: Ford cruisin'

Hey all you FTE'rs
Just wanted to let you all know that Tuesday April 4th marked the official opening of the summer cruisin' season (April to October) here in the Salt Lake (Utah) area. Blazin'48 was there with the "Tried, True and Ford Blue" window sticker displayed proudly and I wore my wonderful "Tried, True and Ford Blue" t-shirt. Those of you who have not yet gotten these items might consider doing so. Drive safe out there.


From: "Gary L. Perry">
Subject: Re: steering column
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:24:33 -0500

Very difficult, I'ld just get plain tilt col. and use. You'll need the special pusher
to ease spring pressure on lock plate (most auto stores have) to get out a
snap ring, Then carefully remove turn signal and ign. switch and etc. There are
3 or 4 screws holding the swivel ball tight and need a long driver (hex) to reach
far down into to get. I have never had any luck getting one fully apart myself
and ususlly give-up. It's quite common for guys to have to tighten as joint comes
loose on these. I would check with some of the Chevelle or Monte Carlo shops
or mail lists on the web. Should be some at the Onelist mail site.
P.S.. If you don't have a 4-spd. tilt col. to get the part from, the used column
won't accept the straight non-tilt collar. totally different.


From: "O'Connell, Dennis M">
Subject: Re: Ford Show
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:54:10 -0700


For us folks that are thinking about next year, is there a website or
telephone contact to pre- register?


> ----------
> From:[]
> Reply To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:22 AM
> To:
> Subject: [pre61-list] Ford Show
> Greetings,
> From: "Robert C. Claborne">
> Subject: Fabulous Fords Forever
> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 07:06:07 -0700
> All Lists:
> If you are lucky enough to live in So. Cal, Sunday, April 9 is the date
> for
> the biggest all Ford show on the Left Coast. Fabulous Fords Forever at
> Knott's Berry Farm; this year featuring the 45th Anniversary of the
> Thunderbird.
> Construction at the park severely limited participation this year (a mere
> 1600)! So if you're not already registered with your yellow entry card in
> hand; you're not getting your car into the show; but you can come as a


Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:08:30 -0400
From: Paul>
Subject: Sway Bar Source

Does anyone know of a source for a rear sway bar for my 54?
Note: A "stock" bar won't fit. The rear springs are welded to the
bottom of the frame.
I need probably a pro street bar, which attaches to the inside of the
Any help other than "move the springs" would be greatly appreciated!:]

Trying to keep my panel's rear "lean" and in line, (get it?) :{
Paul Gayda


Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:10:16 -0600
Subject: Gas Tank Info Needed

I remember a while back that there was a thread on possible replacement gas
tanks. I didn't keep it because I intended to use the stock gas tank. What I
didn't realize is that the stock tank is only 12 gallons. Way too small for
distance driving. So if anyone out there can help me identify a good source
vehicle for a between the rails tank I would appreciate it. Also has anyone
tried to do a dual tank setup. What I am wondering is can I use the stock
tank and a secondary tank. What parts and from what donor vehicle would I


Ken Kitchen
55 F100
soon to be 5.8l (351) fuel injected w/c6


Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:54:07 -0400
From: Fred Hooper>
Subject: Re: Chopped top

Kool, haven't done it, but be sure to put pictures on the ford-trucks server...
like to see it.

Fred wrote:

> Hello All
> I've just got done taking four inches out of the top of my 52' F-1. Has
> anyone ever cut new rubber for the windshield or back window? I was planning
> on cutting them and gluing them back together. What type of glue should I
> use?
> Also if anyone has chopped a top before did you convert to a one piece
> glass?
> Tom G
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:28:37 EDT
Subject: Re: Chopped top

You can see more pictures than you want of my truck here.
1952 F-1
Chop Top
If these don't work heres the long version.

Later Tom


Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:57:10 EDT
Subject: Re: Flooring

Hi Guys & Gals
I'm at that point w/ my 52 F4 that I am considering floor carpets. The truck
will be a daily driver and I'm not looking for anything fancy. JC Whitney
has an Ohio Auto Mat and ACC Interiors offers something similar. The one
thing I do want is a full floor mat not the short piece of rubber offer
elsewhere. Sound and insulation are a factor also. I'd appreciate any
thoughts, comments and/or past experience on this. Many thanks and I'm
really grateful to the administrators of this site. I'm very new this and
it has been a real life saver.


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