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97up-list-digest Monday, July 19 1999 Volume 02 : Number 192

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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - How to maintain my warranty when I don't use my Ford Dealer for service
FTE 97up - Tranny problems still
Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 97up - Re: The Warranty is the issue.



Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:03:08 -0500
From: "Randy Collins"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - How to maintain my warranty when I don't use my Ford Dealer for service

Hold on there, Donno! Synthetic oil is NOT meant to be used as a way to
extend service intervals. That is a marketing tool to persuade people who
don't change their oil at the proper intervals anyway into thinking they are
doing "good" for their engine by switching to synthetic.

Fleet vehicle are a different story. Fleet managers know they will have a
vehicle for X number of years and/or miles, no matter what the service
schedule is. And in alot of cases, the fleet maintenance budget is way too
low. I know this from experience with fleet service.

Synthetic oil or not, your engine still has particles of carbon and metal
floating through it that the filter will not pick up. And 3000 miles is 3000
miles. You will have the same particles floating around after 3000 miles if
you use synthetic or conventional oil.

Advantages are things like smoother starts during cold weather, better
cooling properties at operating temperatures, and better/faster flow at
start-up. I think many high performance applications call for it because of
its cooling abilities and superior lubrication for these high revving
engines, which would make it more than adequate for an everyday driver.

That's my 2 cents. That's all.


> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:42:38 +0200
> From: (Don Francis)
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - How to maintain my warranty when I don't use my
Ford Dealer for service
> Nathan needs to do his homework before he "directs" folks to change
> synthetic oil as regularly as conventional oil. If there were no
> advantages to synthetic oil (advantages like extended drain intervals)
> then why do so many high performance applications call for it and why do
> some companies exceed 20,000 miles between oil changes?
> Help us out here Nathan. Why do you think that synthetic oil is no
> different?
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:50:14 -0800 (AKDT)
From: (Joseph Veres)
Subject: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still

1999 F-250 PSD, automatic transmission -

To refresh y'all, I'm the one that took my truck back to the dealer at
3,000 miles because it wasn't shifting properly - particularly on the
last shift while in overdrive - 3-4 seconds to shift with some revving
and searching around.

The transmission tech took it out for a test drive and it failed,
requiring the truck to be towed back to the shop where it stayed for
almost two weeks, while they put a new torque converter and pump
assembly in it.

Well, that did nothing, the problem still exists - 4 more trips to the
shop later, I'm no better of - they've messed with the computer, put in
a new solenoid body, messed with the computer again, etc., etc. It
still shifts improperly.

The dealership didn't know what to do next so they got on line with the
Ford Tech Line. After going over everything, Ford sent the dealer a
message, stating;

"This condition is under investigation and has no adverse affect on
function or durability. To avoid any repeat repairs and additional
customer down time, do not attempt any repairs or part replacements for
this condition. It is recommended that you defer attempts to service
this concern until service action has been identified." The dealer
returned the truck to me and apologized, and said to drive the truck,
including towing, as much as I wanted.

When I asked the service manager how they could possibly say "no adverse
affect," since it had failed once already, he stated that he thought
that I probably had another problem in the tranny also, and that the
work that they'd done on it had fixed it. I pointed out that the bad
shifting is still the same as it was when I first brought it in, and
never was solved after everything they did. He was unable to explain

So here I sit with a truck that I don't trust while towing a boat over
mountain roads. Almost half the fishing/boating season is over.

Nathan or anyone else, have you ever heard of a problem like this? Is
there a TSB on it somewhere? How long does it take Ford to come up with
a "fix?" At this point, one would think they would give me a new
transmission - but they said No -kindly, of course.

I am basically grounded because I'm afraid to drive the my brand new
truck any distance at all, let alone towing.

I have written Ford a letter about all this, asking for a new
transmission. No response yet. Suggestions appreciated.
Gary Veres, Anchorage, Alaska

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:57:27 EDT
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tranny problems still

See if there is a lemon law in your state. Ford is a good truck but there
are always lemons. I've drove my bosses truck around and that does not

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:22:20 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Web site updates

The Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site has been updated:

- -All sections of the pictorial have had new pictures
- -1973-1979 Ammeter Diag article added to tech articles.
- -BBS reorganized (actually took place 3 days ago) for
easier navigation.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:22:35 +0200
From: (Don Francis)
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: The Warranty is the issue.


I'm a CW4, and we don't have any UH-1 Huey's any more to pick up those
two CW4's you refer to that'll be taking the last Blackhawk to the bone
yard. Besides, the projected replacement date of the UH-60 is scheduled
for the year 2024. I doubt Bell Helicopter or Testors will be making
replica parts for the UH-1 by then.......

On to a more suitable topic that might interest the others. I agree
with following the service intervals of the manufacturer while under
warranty. I have no problem with that. However, if the prudent
consumer wishes to do the smart thing, we'd have oil analysis performed
on our vehicles from the purchase date, and let the lab determine what
the service interval is for our vehicles. I know this sounds like an
extreme waste of money, and maybe you don't need to have the oil
analyzed at every change, but it's still advisable. Why? Well, as soon
as your engine develops that cavitation problem, or has some abnormal
wear, the lab will find it long before the truck decides to croak on the
side of the road. Most oil analysis cost less than $20, and I'd say
that it is cheap insurance, and a very powerful means of proving to the
dealership that your having unexpected troubles.

I've been using Mobil 1 Oil in my Bronco II for 137,000 miles, and I now
use the Mobil 1 filter. The filter performance is critical to
establishing extended change intervals, as anyone knows that a inferior
filter is not going to trap enough particles to make extending the oil
change interval viable. So, at the advisement of the lab, I run Mobil 1
for 10,000 miles and change the filter every 5,000 miles. I know some
of you guys are choking on that, but you tell me how many 2.9 liter
Bronco II's you've seen with 137,000 miles and have no valve train
noise, no piston slap, and all of the cylinders are within 5 psi of each
other on a compression test (taken at 122,000 miles). The only
non-scheduled maintenance I've done is changing the valve cover gaskets,
and a water pump.

I bet most folks also don't know that you'll be able to extend the life
of your accessories like the power steering unit if you drain and flush
it every 50,000 miles. I still have the original. The same goes for
the brakes, and the clutch. Bleed them every 50,000 miles to get the
wear contaminants out of the system and you'll extend their life as

If there were no other advantages to synthetics, other than the
reduction of heat, and the better lubrication, it would be very
difficult to justify spending 500% more for oil. Knowing that I'm
extending the life of the vehicle by using synthetics and knowing I'm
not doing any harm by extending the change interval (at the advisement
of a lab) makes it economically feasible. If I kept the same
maintenance schedule - and we are talking AFTER THE WARRANTY HAS EXPIRED
- - as the factory directs, and if I used the conventional oils, I could
expect that my Bronco II would have developed many other troubles by now
(especially considering I have towed a 2800 pound 1968 Mustang all over
the country behind it). I like to think that I am a living example of
someone who has successfully used synthetics to their fullest
potential. I'll continue to do so, and yes I know those die-hard
change-it-at-3000 miles folks will continue to be skeptical. You guys
go on now. Enjoy spilling oil on your driveway three times more often
than I do.


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