fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, April 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 151

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In this issue:

Re: Seats ["Rick Wojciechowski" ]
'99 SD 250 [Jim Cole ]
Big Bronco Rebuild ["Ronald Kreft" ]
Captains Chair armrest ["Ronald Kreft" ]
RE: Shocks ["Dave Resch" ]
RE: '89 F250 5.8l air injection system - to remove or not ? [Jim Cannon
RE: Captain's Chair armrest problem ["Chapman, David P"
RE: Springs and gearboxen [Ron Madurski ]
Lima Engines []
Re: Seats, an answer ["Daniel Bruno" ]
F-150 mirrors []
Re: F-150 mirrors [Hitman6136 ]
RE: Springs and gearboxen [Warren Auld ]
ADMIN: New list server working [Ken Payne ]



Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:16:14 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: Seats

Mike Miller wrote:

> I am thinking of "upgrading" the bench seat in my 85 F250 x-cab to something
> a little nicer - something like the newer bucket seats with center console

You should be able to get '81-'87 seats in. You also can look
at '81 - '87 full size broncos. Any other years I think you will
need a few mods to fit. Let me know if you find out I have told
you the wrong years. The reason I feel this is right is because
the last time, no next to the last time I went to the junkyards
I found a part off of an '85 F150 for my fullsize '83 bronco.
The guy at the boneyard let me peak at his crossreference.
If I didn't look too cross-eyed at it, the above info should be

- --
Rick Wojo
'83 Stock I-6 "The BROWN BULL"
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:45:25 -0500
From: Jim Cole
Subject: '99 SD 250

Well, I'm about to order one..99 SD 250/Shortbox/Supercab/4x4/V10/XL(I think).

Anything I should look out for? Super nice truck compared with the Dodge.
- -Jim


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:46:07 -0400
From: "Ronald Kreft"
Subject: Big Bronco Rebuild

From my experience you are on your way to a new tranny. I have an 89 =
Bronco with 302 AOD which did the same thing. I didn't even have 2000 =
miles on it when it wouldn't shift into OD until you wound out the motor =
and when it should shift you let off on the gas then it would finally =


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:52:09 -0400
From: "Ronald Kreft"
Subject: Captains Chair armrest

I put a set of seat covers on my Bronco's captains chairs and that cable =
is for lifting the armrest up when you move the seat forward and the =
whole seat slides forward to gain access to the back.=20


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:36:53 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: RE: Shocks

>From: "Casey Vandor"
>Subject: RE: Shocks
>Ok, I went with the Mountain Rider Shocks. The fronts fit fine,
>but rears are about 1 inch too short ( i am figuring this by
>should I take them back and ask for two longer
>ones or go ahead and use them? I never take the truck
>seriuosly offroad, so they are rarely if ever at full extension.

Yo Casey:

If the shocks are too short and if you ever, even once, drop the axle to
full spring droop while driving, you will either rip the upper shock mount
right off the frame or seriously tweak it. It will be expensive to repair.
Not worth the risk, IMHO. Take 'em back and get the right length.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:21:02 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: RE: '89 F250 5.8l air injection system - to remove or not ?

I suggest you not be too quick to remove the air injection system. First
of all, it is illegal to do so (though most of us do not really care
about that). More importantly, it helps you get complete combustion of
unburned hydrocarbons in the exhaust pipe and in the cat converter. This
reduces pollution. Complete combustion will also reduce coking and
plugging of that cat converter.

These air valves you have been replacing usually last much longer than
you are experiencing, so I suspect there is another problem and this is
just a symptom. I am still running the factory original in my 1980 with
135 k miles on it.

It is possible that you have a paritally plugged cat that is hitting the
valve with back pressure and burning it out. Or the air pump itself may
not be putting anything out, so the valve is never cooled by injected
air and is burning out quickly. There is also a control valve on the air
pump that might not be letting anything through, so the pump may be ok,
but nothing is going into the exhaust system. I think I'd check these
out before yanking it all out.

I don't know where you live, but here in Texas, after decades of pulling
the pollution control stuff out of our cars and trucks, the state and
the EPA are now requiring emmisions testing in the Dallas, Houston and
El Paso areas. A lot of people now wish they had left all that junk in

- --

Jim Cannon
Houston, Texas


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:23:49 -0400
From: "Chapman, David P"
Subject: RE: Captain's Chair armrest problem

I agree with what Ron said about the cable's function. As for the arm
rest dropping down, there is a catch or bump stop (or whatever you want
to call it) that stops the arm from falling. If you tighten the bolt
holding the arm in place, it should then contact the stop normally and
will no longer fall.

Dave Chapman
95 Bronco 302

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Rex T. Edmiston []
> Sent:Monday, April 27, 1998 10:48 AM
> To:fordtrucks
> Subject:Captain's Chair armrest problem
> Hi folks,
> Not a "problem" but something's not right. Truck's a '95 F150 SC SB
> with captain's chairs.
> Driver's side armrest came loose and started dropping down. In trying
> to figure out how to fix it, I found a vinyl wrapped steel cable with
> a short (3") threaded steel rod with nylock nut. The cable came out
> of the armrest and into and between the seat back and the upholstery.
> It just came out loose and was only attached "somewhere" in the
> armrest.
> Question is...what is this cable and where/how does it attach???
> Note: I was rear-ended about a year ago - I was dead stopped - other
> guy hit at 35mph. Seat recliner mechanism well as some
> other stuff. I think all is well now.
> thanks....rex
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:09:43 -0500
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: RE: Springs and gearboxen

If it's a Diesel it probably has a T-19 4 speed. Spares are readily
available in the junkyards, most if not all, will probably need some

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Warren Auld []
> Sent:Tuesday, April 28, 1998 3:23 AM
> Subject:Springs and gearboxen
> Hi all,
> I recently was overcome by one of the fits of insanity that seem to
> effect so many on this list and bought a used truck. And like usual,
> the
> price was inversely proportional to the number of problems.
> The truck's an '87 F-250 4x4 with a 6.9L diesel (and for the Click and
> Clack fans -- gray.)
> First question -- how important are the keepers on the spring packs
> (the
> 'C' shaped things that hold the leaves together) and why would they
> have
> been removed? I need to replace the spring packs, don't I?
> My other question is about the transmission and transfer case. The
> transmission is a four speed w/ overdrive. Beyond that I haven't
> managed
> to identify it (the sticker on the door pillar says '5' under
> transmission.) It may not be original though (the motor appears to be
> out
> of an '83.) Any suggestions? The transfer case is a BW 13-56 I think.
> How do
> I go about finding a spare of each (3rd gear synchro is going and it
> won't
> stay in 4L)? Any variations between applications or can I just go down
> to
> my favorite salvage yard and not worry what they came out of?
> Any help would be appreciated.
> warren
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Date: 28 Apr 1998 20:03:36 EDT
Subject: Lima Engines

Help! Here comes a real off the wall question. Does anyone know if the
Lima 371-429 (medium duty truck engines) have the same cylinder
numbering sequence as the Ford light truck and car V-8's? Does the
distributer turn counter-clockwise?
Buck Shoff


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:23:06 -0500
From: "Daniel Bruno"
Subject: Re: Seats, an answer

Hello to all. In response to using a '92 or newer seat assembly on a mid
eighties F series, it will work. I put a vinyl bench seat from a '92 F150
Custom into a 1984 F-250 4x4 Diesel. Three different basic seat
arrangements were available from '92 to '96 (and '97 HD). The bench
assemblies were available from 1992 to mid 1995 with separate head rests.
The texture was all vinyl, knitted vinyl, basic cloth with a bit of vinyl
and the cloth XLT seat with power lumbar and fold-down armrest. In mid 1995
and through the '97 Heavy Duties, the same bench seats used an integral
headrest instead of the adjustables. These bench seats should mount
directly into any early 80's or newer F series. Be sure to use the same
slide assembly just in case. In Supercab and Crew Cab applications from
1992 through the 97 HD's, Cloth Captain's Chairs could be ordered. These
included a fold down armrest on one side and a permanent floor console.
These could be added to any '81 or newer (I think that cab style began in
'81) F series, but a few more holes would need to be drilled in the floor
behind the tranny. Lastly, from 1994 through the 97 HD's, a 40-20-40 cloth
seat assembly was available. This has a center seat whose back folds down
and serves as a small cassette bin and two drink holders. This also will
work in older F series cabs, but will require some additional holes as well.

Personally, having owned a vinyl '92, a '94 XLT, a '96 XLT and a '97 HD
40-20-40, I'd say the 40-20-40 beats the pants off of them all. The
reclining seatbacks on the 40-20-40 probably won't do much good in a reg.
cab if you have long legs. By the say, I don't think that you could get a
factory sliding rear window with a 40-20-40 in a REGULAR cab truck. I have
seen some with aftermarket sliding windows. Not sure why. If you look
hard, you can probably still find some factory XLT seats unused in a truck
conversion shop. I bought a '94 XLT seat for my '92 Custom from a shop
north of Alton Illinois. Ford Dealer price for a XLT bench was around
$1100. I paid $350 for the new seat from the conversion shop All I had to
do was bolt it in and run a small power lead for the lumbar. Hope this
information is of some help and as accurate as possible.

Dan Bruno
St. Louis, MO


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: F-150 mirrors


I am seeking information on the side-view mirrors mounted on the
doors of a 1993 F-150. They are the type that mounts in two places directly
to the door. Made of chromed swivel mounts and alloy brace. What I need to
know is what years had this type of mirror interchangably. The chrome parts
of mine are peeling badly! So, I figure the junkyard will be the best place
to find replacements if they are found on enough different years.

Thanks in Advance!!!

Eric Johnson


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:34:17 EDT
From: Hitman6136
Subject: Re: F-150 mirrors

any ford truck with the same mirror form 82-up


Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:30:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Warren Auld
Subject: RE: Springs and gearboxen

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Ron Madurski wrote:
> If it's a Diesel it probably has a T-19 4 speed. Spares are readily
> available in the junkyards, most if not all, will probably need some
> R&R.

I got hold of a Chilton's and crawled back under the truck this evening
(and learned you can't hold a Mag-Lite in your teeth....) The trannie's
got ZF cast in on the right side and what looks to be an integral bell
housing. Going back to the Chilton's, the description seems to match up
with a ZF S5-42. It also says the first year they used these was 1988.
Does this mean a) Chilton's is wrong, b) it's been replaced, c) Ford
changed the specification in mid-year, or d) something else that hasn't
occured to me? Also, how common is the ZF?

thanks again,



Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:31:06 -0400
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