Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 03:50:22 -0700 (MST)
From: (fordtrucks80up-digest)
Subject: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #12

fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, January 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 012

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In this issue:

Re: Rough ride [Randy ]
Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit??? [Randy ]
Re: Re: fuel line connections [CNTRYF150 ]
1999 prices gotten! [Michael Ruth ]
manual hubs ["Casey Vandor" ]
Re: MSRP prices [Randy ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #11 [Bill Funk ]



Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 00:30:49 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Rough ride

Ryan Penner wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy
> To:
> Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Rough ride
> >Ryan Penner wrote:
> >>
> >OOOOOOoooooooo! You're a big boy now!!! You have a rough riding
> >150...wooooooowwww!
> >I will have you know....I just couldn't resist....
> >Later,
> >-Randy-

> At least I am not driving what I thought I could afford a year ago. ('86
> Mazda b2000 long bed) Now that was a CAR with a 8ft bed. I am just happy to
> own a 150, even though it is only 2wd!
Ryan, glad to see you didn't get flamed at that and took it for the fun
it was meant to be. I am glad you didn't get the B2000 too.


Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 00:34:52 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit???

The Hepburn wrote:


> Like the time I had a U-joint on the point of failure and took it to
> a shop for repair. The machanic could not find any slop in the joint,
> and it wasn't until I had taken the time to drive back to his shop and
> show him how to check it that he found out that you don't diagnose
> driveline problems with the driveline loaded.
Alan, my old mailing list buddy, I have some advice for ya....
Find a new mechanic! Any fool who tries to find slop in a U-joint while
the driveline is under load is not a mechanic that I would trust to fix
the problem that YOU had to find for him.....

Just a little friendly advice,


Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:33:52 EST
From: CNTRYF150
Subject: Re: Re: fuel line connections

the tool for removing the fuel lines can be bought at Napa auto parts,,or
Discount Auto Parts if you have one nearby.I had the same trouble with my 96
F-150,and my neighbors nearly lost their religion while I was working on the
fuel filter.

yours truly: Jim Wise


Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 23:33:19 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: 1999 prices gotten!

Hey everyone!
My special source sent me prices today, but keep in mind that they are
not yet in the computer at FORD, but they can call their Rep if needed!
Here goes, any questions, reply to me off list:

1999 F-250 Supercab 4X4, 158"wheelbase $26605
Lariat Pkg (After pkg credit) 1225
7.3 Diesel 4445
Auto trans 970
3.73Ltd slip rear axle 260
4 wheel ABS 500
Chrome Step Bumper 100
Clearance Lights 55
Elect. Shift on Fly 150
Trailer Hitch 150
Trailer tow pkg 190
Sliding rear window 125
Privacy glass 100
AM/FM/CD 190
Heavy Duty Front Susp. 175
265/75R16 A/T OWL 390
A/T Spare w/wheel 365
Captains Chairs 365
Trailer Tow Mirrors 155
Destination 640
- ----------------------------------------------
List Price Total 37155 (ouch!)

I was told to expect to pay approx. $34k to 35k.
Well? Is a good deal? You decide!!!



Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:51:08 -0900
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: manual hubs

Little bit of humor here, I went to the local Chevron station and asked
for a rough estimate on repacking the front wheel berings and the hubs and
the guy quoted me at 2 hours work, and and a total cost of about $165.00.
I have never had this done before, so I am not sure if that is reasonable
or not, and them I went to the Ford dealer and asked for the same quote.
He quotes me for FIVE hours labor and a total cost of $300.00! I am just
amazed at how much we get ripped off on this island. I have a friend in
Juneau (Alaska) who owns a small service shop. He would the job, (for
anybody, not only friends) for $85.00. Guess I will be packing my wheel
berings this time..


Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 01:01:00 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: MSRP prices

> Like Michael said, people will have to pay more for a hot seller. I
> went and ordered a new Harley Davidson Sportster. The Harley dealers
> all have the same price, so no dealing on that. It made it real fast
> and easy. That is what car dealers should do, too.
> Josh

Hot sellers go up in price, indeed!! Does anyone remember when Mazda
came out w/the Miatas? Or Dodge w/the Viper? People will pay anything
to be the first guy in town to own something like this. I remember
reading about people paying up to $60,000 to buy a Miata, for crying out
loud!!! Or how about John Elway paying $175,000 for his Dodge Viper,
even though it stickered for $55,000!!! These are extreme cases indeed
and are a clear case of limited supply and very high demand. BUT, even
when these mfgs. had enough vehicles to satisfy the public, there was
almost NEVER any price dickering on the sticker. They KNEW that if you
didn't buy it for what they wanted, tomorrow someone would come in and
they would. It just comes down to education. We should all be educated
consumers when spend the kind of outrageous money mfg. ask us to pay for
ANY vehicle they have. There are certain things they consider when
setting prices. While I may not list them all here, some include mfg.
cost, shipping and such like that. BUT, one other factor, is they
consider how much the consumer is WILLING TO PAY. Once the SUV craze
(for example) caught on they (mfg.) realized there were people out there
willing to pay that kind of money for a vehicle. Once trucks became
more than just a vehicle to haul hay out to the barns and became
'popular', the prices there went up too. Ever compare prices on the
smaller trucks to the full-size, or the small SUV's w/the full size?
The prices aren't really that far apart, at least not far enough in my
book to justify getting the smaller one, but they are very POPULAR, so
the mfgs. can get that kind of money from the people in that market. I
have done work for the auto industry (Packard Electric, among others)
and I've seen them give us a part, we work on it, they change it, we fix
it, they change it, we get the idea. I can see where some of
the overhead comes from, but when you consider that cost out over tens
or hundreds of thousands of vehicles that will be produced w/that part,
the cost of redesigning that part is minimal. I realize I'm just
talking about one part, but I think the point is that mfg. costs aren't
really THAT much per vehicle. Ever wonder why the kind of uglier,
smaller cars are so inexpensive (relatively, Personally, I think EVERY
car or truck is overpriced)? Because they're not as popular or 'hot' as
mentioned earlier.
That's my .02 + .02 +.02 +.02*n/y take away depreciation of the yen,
spend it in Canada and be ahead a few.....about a nickels' worth I


Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:28:41 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #11

> From: (The Hepburn)
> Subject: Re: $3500 more for Diesel than v10
> > Regular maintenance is slightly more expensive on the PSD compared
> to
> > the V10. 14 quarts versus 5 quarts.
> Not to put a bug in the ointment or anything, but is a 3X increase
> really only "...slightly more expensive"?



> Alan Hepburn

But, you gotta figure, the plugs, plug wires, and distributer parts last
almost *forever*!Bill


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