Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:50:22 -0700 (MST)
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fordtrucks80up-digest Monday, November 10 1997 Volume 01 : Number 212

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In this issue:

One More Try, I Need Help Converting a 1985 F-150 4X4 5.0 EFI to Mass Air Metering ["Lopez, Raoul"
Re: Golf Games []
Catalytic converter bolt q's [Luke Wells ]
Re: Golf Games []
Re: Quad shocks for F-150 4X4 [Bill Funk ]
1997 F-350 Powerstroke Moaning 1500-2000/2600-3000 R.P.M. [Jan Campbell]
7.3 update and ?? [ (Lamar Zabielski)]
Re: Conversion vans ["Froggy" ]
84 Bronco Ignition Problem ["Gene E. Utterback, EA, ATA, ATP"
1999 Ford super duty ["jason" ]
At home throttle body ["D's nuts in yo mouth" ]
Re: 5.0L mileage []



Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:19:10 -0600
From: "Lopez, Raoul"
Subject: One More Try, I Need Help Converting a 1985 F-150 4X4 5.0 EFI to Mass Air Metering

Does anyone have any technical expertise in this area? I have a 1985
F-150 4X4 with a 5.0 EFI. I spoke with someone on the Ford Motorsport
SVO Tech Line about converting my '85 to mass air. Their reply was Ford
makes a conversion kit for '87 and newer 5.0's but 85's and 86's were
excluded for some reason and they couldn't help me. If I can convert I
believe it makes the addition of cams, headers, superchargers, etc.
easier. Does anyone have any info on converting an '85 from speed
density engine management to mass air metering?
Raoul Lopez


Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:36:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Golf Games

If I wanted entertainment I would not have linked up with the Ford

Put your funnies where the sun does not shine.

B. Carothers


Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 12:15:35 -0500
From: Luke Wells
Subject: Catalytic converter bolt q's

Does anyone know how to get the bolts off the catalytic converter for a
96 Ranger. These are the
ones closest to the headers, are these bolts able to come of with a
wrench or are they heat welded


Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:02:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Golf Games

In a message dated 97-11-09 12:21:41 EST, you write:


Put your funnies where the sun does not shine.

B. Carothers >>

I appreciated it.



Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:43:50 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: Quad shocks for F-150 4X4

> From: Jeff Fairbairn
> Subject: Quad shocks for F-150 4x4
> Hi,
> Does anyone know, what company makes a good bracket for double shocks?
> I =
> would like to put double shocks on each front wheel on my '96 F150
> 4X4. =
> My guess would be that Rancho would make it. Also would this take the
> =
> "dipping" out of it that I get in corners with the big tires on.
> Thanks,
> Jeff

Jeff,Extra shocks won't do what you want. Multiple shocks are intended
to keep the heat per shock down, and thus reduce fade. With multiple
shocks, each shock is softer than the original, single shock (or, should
be; otherwise, you just get a harsher ride).
What you want is a better anti-sway bar to reduce that dipping or sway.

Bill Funk


Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 18:46:01 -0500
From: Jan Campbell
Subject: 1997 F-350 Powerstroke Moaning 1500-2000/2600-3000 R.P.M.


I am experiencing an almost deafing noise around 1500-2000/2600-3000
I have been made aware of 2 TSBs concerning this problem. Is there
anyone out there who would know what they do for this problem? I would
hope the remedy would be more than prying the exhaust to create added
space, working at a dealership for a period of time, brings to mind some
of the questionable practices of a number of mechanics, "flat-rate".
Thanks for any input.

Thanks to Ken Miller, for your most appreciated input.

Matt Campbell, Proud Owner


Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 17:34:29 -0700 (MST)
From: (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: 7.3 update and ??

Hi All,

So last I posted, I thought I would be in the midst of a rebuild now, but
3-4 weeks w/o my ride, I could not do. Postponed it to next summer, and
loaded a battery charger/starter and a generator, in case I got stuck
someplace w/o a plug in, to get me thru the winter.

Well, there was a parting-out F-350 w/ a 7.3, in the classifieds last week,
I bought the 7.3. Gonna replace gaskets and seals.

Question: Should I do valve work, as long as the engine is in prep mode?

Anything else to consider??



'88 F250 FWD X-cab


Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:38:00 -0500
From: "Froggy"
Subject: Re: Conversion vans

Sam, I have a hi-top and as long as it isn;t windy, it's terrific! When
windy, you're constantly correcting on th eopen highway. It's a lot of
vehicle for daily use. Make sure you get a high quality conversion (not
fake wood). It will look nicer alot longer. I love mine on trips (just
finished one to texas from Daytona). Good luck! Consider a minivan if you
don't have to have the conversion. I've had an Aerostar and aN Astro and
liked them both. The Astro was an exceptionally nice Luxrider

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> From:
> To:
> Subject: Conversion vans
> Date: Saturday, November 08, 1997 9:40 PM
> Hi Group
> I've owned ford pu trucks for many years now and I'm completly
satisfied. A
> stange thing is happening, my three little ones are getting bigger and
> complaining about lack of elbow room in the back seat of my extended
> cab,especially on those long trips! Well any way they almost have me
> convinced to buy a conversion van, just wondering if anyone has any words
> advise on Ford models!! (Never owned a van )
> Thanks In Advanced
> Sam (
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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 20:37:56 -0500
From: "Gene E. Utterback, EA, ATA, ATP"
Subject: 84 Bronco Ignition Problem


I have a 1984 Full Size Bronco with a 351M, 4bbl Holly Carb and
Electronic Iginition.

I know I have a carbuerator problem. The floats are sticking and the
carb loads up and floods easliy. If the truck doesn't start on the
first or second try, it won't start till the carb dries out.

I have been trying to restore this truck and have done almost no
mechanical work at all. The Bronco had 28K on the Jasper engine and
transmission when I bought it three months ago. I stripped out the
interior including the dash, seats, & carpet. I was careful not to cut,
pull, or damage any wiring.

Since I've started putting the truck back together, it has developed a
nasty ignition problem. Sometimes it starts and sometimes it doesn't.
The problem seems to be nondiscriminatory. It happens at odd times with
no apparent common demoninator. Sometimes it won't start. Other times
it starts and dies. Sometimes it dies before I can move it. Sometimes
it dies while I doing 65.

I've replaced the ignition switch, ignition switch module, ignition
module, coil, battery, and solenoid. I've checked every wire and
connection I can think of.

Someone in PEPBOYS (not an emoployee - a customer who overhead me
talking with my mechanic) suggested that perhaps the ignition switch
module actuating rod, actuated by the ignition key, needs adjustment.
Neither my wrench not I have ever heard of this. Is this legitimate?

Also, if anyone out there has any suggestions I'd gladly appreciate
whatever help is given.

Thanks for listening,

Devient Gene


Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:39:24 -0500
From: "jason"
Subject: 1999 Ford super duty

The new ford transmission for gas M50d (std) 5 speed w/od 4R100 HD 4 speed
electronic w/od . And for diesel it's M60D 6 speed manual w/od
Four wheel disc braks standard. ABS opt.New steering components ,enhanced
suspension for improved ride,handling, responsiveness and maneuverability.
F 350 Reg cab 4x2
Length 226.6
width 80.0
wheelbase 137.0
rear overhang 52.2
Vehicle ht. 76.
headroom fr 41.3
legroom 40.8
shoulder rm 67.0

Looks very mean Very large sport type mirrors on TWO stalks very ugly.
May have built in electric running boards. (no one is sure) Not as pretty
as the dodge.
I'm sitting here looking at a large picture that I picked up at the So fla
Auto show and I still can't decide if it's ugly or not. the grill is
similar to the Dodge but definitly not as nice. All salespeople were angry
that it wasn't art the show since it was at the SEMA show a few days
earlier I beleive the V-10 will be teamed with a 4.30 rear end.


Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:18:21 -0500
From: "D's nuts in yo mouth"
Subject: At home throttle body here is a dodge site with a
do-it-yourself mod for the throttle
body. Check it out


Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:32:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 5.0L mileage

Hi Grady,

Engine is now running smooth and powerful. Est. 300 hp. I havent put her
through a "high mileage" test since the mods. Just back and forth to work.
That extra power is lots-o-fun! Maybe I should cool-it and check the
mileage. It really hasnt been that much worse so the difference could be
my foot. The engine builder thinks because it is now much more efficient,
that it should be better than before.

Well, what do you know. After looking over my mileage journal, I cannot find
the 21 mpg incident. Since I have the two tanks, I normally take the first
tank to a set distance. Then I fill the first tank first, make a mental note
of the gallons, divide by the miles by the first tanks gallons just for my
satisfaction but dont write it down.

One time, we came through a serious snow storm beginning in Redding,
California up through the Siskiyou summit (4310 feet elev.). In 4-wheel
drive while in the storm. Speed from 30-50 mph in the night. Things cleared
up by Grants Pass. Didnt get gas until Vancouver, WA. I looked it up in my
mileage book; 12-28-92, 442.8 miles, 23.36 gallons, $28.02, this calculates
to 18.79 mpg. That was quite a night. The dog got sick at the top the
summit while I was negotiating 12" deep snow. Had the fiberglass canopy and
about 1,000 lbs. of stuff in the bed.

Your questions have prompted me to "computerize" my mileage journal with
Excel. Since buying this truck new in December 1991, Ive stopped 190 times
for gas in 68,694 miles. (Figures include the speedometer error between the
original 235s, 30x9.5x15 snow tires, and current 31x10.5x15s.) Ive pumped
4577.7 gallons for an average of 15.01 mpg.

The difference between May/June (tied at 16.07 mpg) and January (lowest at
13.60 mpg) is larger than the difference between the 235's (15.51 mpg) and
the 31's (14.83 mpg). Cool, now I dont feel so bad about the 31s!

Of course, the average since the engine mods is 13.25 mpg as compared to
15.47 mpg (September) to 14.98 mpg (October). Hum, maybe I should give it a

Bottom line, if you want good mileage, run the "correct" size tire, live in a
temperate zone, and drive mellow.

Have fun!
- -David :-)

In a message dated 97-11-03 11:16:18 EST, you write:

> Thanks for the additional info. I read your message some time back but am
> just getting around to replying. So was it the non-firing injector that
> was causing all of your problems or did your rough idleing symptoms go
> with the other fixes. I think I'm going to try and get my hands on a K&N
> over the next few weeks and see if that helps. I may try the O2 sensor
> after that.
> I've been mulling over whether to turn in my truck or not on something
> I was looking at Rangers but too small. Then I thought about getting a
> new F150 4x4 ext cab V6 but Ford doesn't offer that. I guess that extra 3
> ft. of cab is too much for the 4.2L. However, it is an option on the reg
> cab long bed 4x4. That seems odd. Anyway, I think I'm going to stick
> what I have and try to figure out why my mileage sucks. I love my truck,
> just wish it got better mileage and was 4wd.
> I really don't need to be blowing money on a new truck anyway.
> I can't believe you actually got 21mpg out of your 5.0L. What mods had
> implemented at that point?
> I don't really care about going fast - I'd just like to get my day-to-day
> costs down.
> Thanks again.
> Grady


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