Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:50:27 -0600 (MDT)
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Subject: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #160

fordtrucks80up-digest Monday, October 13 1997 Volume 01 : Number 160

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In this issue:

New Headlights! [ (Ian Holter)]
Re: OUCH []
Re: ADMIN: new Window Sticker design on web site [Jordan
Anti sway bars are wonderful. [Carl Warren Levin ]
2.3L power, or lack of [ (Jim & Star Pitcock)]
info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab ["Adrian A. Polliack"
Re: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab []
Re: F-250 Build time?? [Garnet Quinn ]
Re: Anti sway bars are wonderful. []



Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:34:01 -0400
From: (Ian Holter)
Subject: New Headlights!

Hi, does anyone know if he the new style headlights in the 98 lincoln
are interchangeable with any late model halogens?
I have a 92 f150 any info would be helpful Thanks
in advance Ian
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:43:24 -0500
Subject: Re: OUCH

On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:11:05 -0500 Thom Cheney
>> Some personal observations....
>> While Ch*vy does seem to put out more HP in some of their
>> stock engines the vehicles are poorly put together overall.
>> Stock C*maros generally beat stock Mustangs, but they also
>> have a reputation for becoming rattle cages within a year.
>> Everytime I get into a Ch*vy (I try to avoid it!) or look
>> under the hood I always walk away with one thought:
>> GM has cornered the market on cheap fasteners and workers
>> who show up drunk....
>> Pull away interior door panels are a GM speciality. Along
>> with missing weld points.

A friend of mine since I have known him has owned 3 Ch*vy trucks.

89(?) S10 reg cab v6
93 1500 ext. cab step side 350
97 4wd suburban tow pack. 454

His s10's valves springs start going bad around 50,000 and he once drove
out to my ranch with a wicked rattle coming from the one of the heads.
We opened up the valve cover and one of the springs had broken in half.

He traded in the S10 for a full size truck, and guess what... ...ever
since he started pulling a boat, his truck is always in the shop for some
kinda valve or head work.

So what does he do now? He goes and buys a 97 suburban (for his wife, so
he claims) with 4wd and a towing package to pull his boat. 1 month after
he bought this thing its leaking oil, and has been back in the shop 2
more times for oil leaks.

There are other people with GM products that I could name and write about
too, but the point is that I have seen more GM cars and trucks start to
fail in a short amount of time than I have seen Fords fail.

Quick note: the worst GM that I have seen is the Geo Metro. This thing
looks like the whole car was snaped togeather like a some toy.

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:58:59 -0500
From: Jordan
Subject: Re: ADMIN: new Window Sticker design on web site

At 12:04 PM 10/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Sorry to send yet another email but I forgot this:
>The new design is on the web site,
>You'll see the sticker link on the bottom of the page.
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Hey Ken if the web site is just you might want to
cahnge in in the tag file for the list (it still has the dragonfire site.

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:28:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carl Warren Levin
Subject: Anti sway bars are wonderful.

I just put on Hellwig anti sway bars and the handling difference is quite
remarkable. I highly recommend them to anyone. I have a I6, stick, 1995
f150 short bed and the thing handles like a BMW. Well almost.......

"Any culture that surrenders it's vision and it's self sustaining
values to the narrow judgement of commerce will be neither free
nor just" Ralph Nader
Carl Levin Portland, Oregon


Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:26:32 -0600
From: (Jim & Star Pitcock)
Subject: 2.3L power, or lack of

I am a new subscriber and you have probably discussed this issue
several times. However, I have a 96 Ranger with a 2.3 engine. Is there
any performance modifications that can be made to this engine that will
make much of a difference in its performance short of replacing the
engine completely? Currently it is completely stock.


Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:22:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Adrian A. Polliack"
Subject: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab

I am requesting some input from 1997 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD 4 Cyl Supercab
trucks owners or folks who know something about them.

I have never purchased a truck before. I am planning to purchase a new 2WD
compact truck in the next week or so and would appreciate your assistance.
My basic needs for a truck are for trips to the mountain (mountain biking,
skiing, camping) say 20-30 times per year, where I can store the bikes at
the back and trailing a catamaran with trailer (
time would be for city and freeway driving.

What do you see as the pros/cons of the XLT 2WD Supercab? Does anyone have
experience with other pick-ups e.g. the Toyota Tacoma, Chevy S10 or GMC
Sonoma? Any comments would be helpfull. I have done some research on the
internet and the Ford Ranger surely rates well but I would like to hear it
from some owners.

With many thanks in advance.

Adrian Polliack


Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:18:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab

I have owned several Ranger pickups and have experienced very good quality. I
would advise you to get a V-6 if looking at a SC. I have a 90 Nissan also
(not by choice). The body and interior trim are not as good as the Ford, in
my opinion.



Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:26:49 -0400
From: Garnet Quinn
Subject: Re: F-250 Build time??

JJ/RAE wrote:
> Monday and Friday are the worst days of the week
> to have a vehicle built. Old wives tale or true????
I have worked in an auto assembly plant for over 30 years and although
I can't speak for the rest of the industry, my answer is "old wives
tale". First off a vehicle that is assembled on a Friday is a muster
of parts and sub-assemblies from out of plant vendors whose stock may
have been produced on any day of the week. With the exception of fits
and finishes most vehicle problems are due to these components.

The body and paint processes are mostly automated and robots produce the
same quality each day and night of the week. The rest of the process is
mainly fastening the outside vendor components to predetermined
locations on the painted body.

Our plant runs two shifts and the odd employee may take a few minutes
to wake completely on the day shift on Monday but will soon be in the
swing of things or face discipline. The supervisor in the zone is
responsible for any problems leaving his area so he does his best to see
that any small problems are corrected by his repair person before they
leave his zone and that the same problem does not recur.
Unfinished repairs are noted on a process card which accompanies each
vehicle and are finished off line before going for final inspection.

A combination of very hot or blowing snowy weather, overtime Monday to
Thursday and a change of shifts from night to days will guarantee a
manpower shortage on a Friday night. The day shift works happy with the
prospect of a longer weekend. The work around to insure quality
production is to use the relief persons (every eighth production person)
to fill in for those missing and stop the line for mass breaks. If
people are brought in from other areas that have excess help because of
mass relief instead of tag relief they are assigned 2 persons to each
unfamiliar job. There is no problem on Fridays before a holiday because
you must work the day before and the day after to be paid for it.

I hope this will alleviate your fear of a Friday or Monday vehicle. I
had a '98 Ranger built in the middle of September and I don't care
what day it was built on. What I do care is when it gets to me. Having
ordered it the last week of July its been a long time anticipating its
arrival. Two weeks after it was built I was at the dealer and sure
enough there was a new Ranger (not mine) that was built the same day.
"It will be here in a day or two, they don't usually take longer than
two weeks after they are built. I'll give you a call soon as it's here."
I was told. A week later I'm at the dealer being informed that it had
disappeared from the computer that day so they called to find out why.
"Unfortunately due to where it was parked in the delivery yard it was
overlooked but it has just been loaded." I was told. "It should be here
in ten days to two weeks." The N.J. plant where it was built is an easy
two day drive from here. It makes one wonder when you look at the
delivery charges.

My own theory is that because they are late introducing the Ranger here
in southern Ontario (none of the 5 dealers in my area had a '98 before
Oct 2 and then they only received 1 each) they were trying to ensure
every dealer had a demonstrator before shipping sold vehicles.

D. Garnet Quinn
London, Ontario


Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 04:44:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Anti sway bars are wonderful.

How much did they cost / where did you get them?

I have an I6, 1996 F150 shortbed, and was thinking about adding them.


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