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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:18:00 -0600 (MDT)
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Subject: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #103
fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, September 10 1997 Volume 01 : Number 103
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In this issue:
Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10 [Joe Maleski ]
Cruise Control [Keith Srb ]
Consumer Alert on Ford Red Carpet Lease purchased AT WALKER FORD FL. [tg]
84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP? [Jerad Heffner ]
1990 F150 STRAIGHT 6 - 4.9L RUNNING RUFF [Timothy P Fagrey
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #102 [Bill Funk ]
Ranger Power Steering Pump [fwisejuno.com]
87' Ranger Tires and Suspension [glissonbdnations.net (Brenton B. Glisso]
1999 F350 Crew cab PS ["Dudley H. Wright" ]
Re: 1999 F350 Crew cab PS [John Yee ]
Re: RE:1998, 1999 F250's Trannys ["Ryan Penner" ]
Re: RE:1998, 1999 F250's Trannys [clubinlink.com]
Re: 1999 F350 Crew cab PS [Natedog199aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #101 [Dave Wheeler ]
Re: prices [Max Dooley ]
Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10: Can we say economy? [Ducks4jimaol.]
Re: 1999 F350 Crew cab PS: some info i dug up [Jerad Heffner
Clutch Slave Cylinder Bleeding ["Mark J. Salvetti"
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:20:10 -0700
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10
>Trailer Life article), but the one thing I noticed with the V10 was that
>it made it's power, both torque and HP, WAY up in the rev range. Low-end
>grunt is what gets heavy loads moving, and being in the "thick" of the HP
>powerband at highway speeds keeps it moving. Both describe the
I agree. The test that I would like to see is a one on one with two
identical vehicles the only difference being the engines. Right now it
couldn't be done with the pickups but all some magazine has to do is get
ahold of last year's van with the 460 and the shootout is on.
My personal engine grunt test is pulling the boat out of the water and up a
steep, slippery ramp with the 2,500 pound Camper on the truck. I don't
like to rev the engine much and the 460 does a fine job here. I don't like
the idea of having to rev the Ford V10 to pull everything up the ramp and
in this case I'd almost prefer Dodge's V10 since it makes 400 lbs/ft at
1000 RPM. Of course, I still haven't driven the V10 with a manual
transmission yet so who knows...
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab, 460/5-spd, The Silver Camel
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:29:22 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Cruise Control
- -----Original Message-----
From:Mike Jones [SMTP:mjoneseasterngroup.com]
Sent:Wednesday, September 10, 1997 7:27 AM
Subject:Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #100
>>Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 07:34:31 -0500
>>From: Thom Cheney
>>Subject: radio shack cruise control
>>I read a post the other day where someone suggested that a cruise
>>control device could be put together from radio shack parts for pretty
>>cheap. Can anyone back this up with a parts list!?!?
>That was me, and it applies to Power Stroke diesels only, since they are
>drive-by-wire (no throttle cable). If you were indeed interested in cruise
>control for a Power Stroke, let me know and I'll explain how it's done.
>Since we're on the subject, gas engines are easy, too. J.C. Whitney has
>several kits for $60-$100. Or you could purchase the necessary parts from
>a wrecking yard for a factory installation. but if you're looking for
>bottom dollar, then one of these kits is the way to go. They generally
Can you tell me what parts I need to get from the wrecking yard? I would like
to add Cruise Control to both the 66 F100 and 74 F250, if possible.
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:05:12 -0400
From: tglundyjuno.com (Tim g Lundy)
Subject: Consumer Alert on Ford Red Carpet Lease purchased AT WALKER FORD FL.
On one Sunday afternoon I and my family were involved in a collision that
lead my 1996 explorer to roll over on its side.
I had the dealer tow the vehicle to there body shop, for State Farm to
inspect the damage. State Farm wants to total the vehicle as per my
wishes. Walker Ford wants to fix it. So they ordered a full body without
our written permission. I was told that I would have to pay a restocking
fee of $1.200.00 before Walker Ford would release the vehicle to State
Farm. By the way I am still Paying on the LEASE till the dealer Releases
the vehicle. I contacted FORD MOTOR CO. And They said take it up with the
DEALER. So don't be leave what there brochures say. This has been going
on for a month now, So beware of that lease.......
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:11:09 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP?
Does anyone know of a relatively cheap way to get more HP out of the 2.3
L 4-cyl? Mine has 170,000 miles on it and is still going strong. I
want a new engine. . . but don't have the $$$ right now. . .I also want
to get the thing repainted because the guy that painted it didn't prep
the surface right and did not remove the trim. . how do you paint a
vehicle without removing the trim? I thought that was part of the deal.
. . i need to contact my brother-in-law about it because he paid for it.
. . anyway, I was just wondering about the HP increases. Is a K&N
filter worth the money in a 2.3L Ranger? Any other cheap fixes? BTW,
about how much are '87 and newer 4.0L V-6's selling for? Is it very
difficult to swap a 4.0L into a 2.3L? I'd appreciate any responses.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:18:00 -0700
From: Timothy P Fagrey
Subject: 1990 F150 STRAIGHT 6 - 4.9L RUNNING RUFF
To anyone who has had the same symptoms or can give me some pointers
on this engine. I just purchased this truck and did a tune-up on it - =
changed the spark plug wires also but still runs ruff. It has 110k =
miles on it. It seems to run fine
in acceleration but under normal running it runs ruff. It also is =
getting low gas mileage - 15 mpg.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:36:08 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #102
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:34:39 -0500
> From: Steven McCullough
> Subject: A few questions...
> Ok, well I'm new to this list although I've owned my F150 for almost 6
> I'm looking to make a few mods to my truck:
> 1990 F150 w/302 2X4 and EOD4 (I'm not sure of the gear ratio)
> I'm on a budget just like everyone else, so I'm looking at:
> 1. A cat back system either from edelbrock, gibson, or borla. I'm
> looking for
> a good mellow sound without waking the neighbors - I live in Texas
> (Houston), so
> rust is not too much of a problem, but we do get to the beach
> sometimes - Any suggestions.
Why pay the big bucks? Patronize a local muffler shop, and have them put
on 3" pipe from the cat back, with a Flowmaster in line. Much less $,
same results. The cat will cut most of the noise, though. Try to have
them let you fire it up with the cat only, you may be surprised. On my
'91 F-250 460, I almost didn't need a muffler at all.
> 3. Also, my tires have lived their useful life. They were decent
> highway tires, but really ugly and poor
> rain traction - any suggestions (I only get off the street
> occasionally). I just want something that looks
> rugged, but is a good highway tire (is that possible???)
Almost any quality Mud & Snow (M/S) tire should do what you want. Each
person will have their own personal favorites, but they are all pretty
good. A M/S tire isn't very noisy, will provide decent traction on dry
pavement, and still provide traction for light off road excursions, and,
of course, light snow.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:37:50 -0500
Subject: Ranger Power Steering Pump
The power steering pump on my 94 Ranger (3.0L V6, 60K miles) has begun to
make a groaning/growling sound. No, it's not belt slippage, and it does
it at all rpm and regardless of whether the truck is turning, driving
straight, or simply sitting at idle.
I changed the fluid, filling and draining several times to get as much of
the old fluid as possible. It made no difference in the sound. The old
fluid had not darkened and did not smell burned.
On the subject of heat in the fluid, I have not found a cooler on the
truck. Is there an *effective* cooler available somewhere? I am concerned
about cutting and splicing the hoses to fit one in. Does anyone know what
kind of pressures the system utilizes?
Is there any cure, or am I looking at a new pump? Is it likely that it is
a heat induced problem? It does get rather warm here in South Central
Texas, and lacking a cooler...
Any suggestions will be appreciated,
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:01:47 -0400
From: glissonbdnations.net (Brenton B. Glisson)
Subject: 87' Ranger Tires and Suspension
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
I own an 87' Ranger Extended cab that I wish to convert to a 4X4, I =
do not wish to buy another truck that is already 4X4 for centamental =
reasons ie, we've been together for 10 years and 210K miles. I recentlly =
bought a set of MT 16x8 wheels for it as the old tires were bald and I =
didn't want to waste money on a new set of tires that I would not =
utilize in it's new 4X4 scheme. So please advise me as to what tires to =
buy. I am not fond of massive lifts, and prefer lifts only for =
situations that require them. In other words if I could fit 285-75-16s =
in the fender wells with the addition of cut out flares and still have =
ample travel and clearence I would be satisfied. My goal is stealthy =
functionallity. The truck is currently used as a daily driver and would/ =
will see weekly off road use. Most of the race trucks I see are =
surprisingly low slung with massive amounts of travel. Having raced =
motocross and desert for most of my life I like the idea of long travel =
suspensions that suck up the rough stuff yet retain a reasonable center =
of gravity. =20
As I convert to 4X4 should I use the standard front suspension and =
differential or is there a much better alternative, such as a full size =
4X4 of comparable year or is a sraight axle type best. I'm drawn to the =
Autofab suspensions. I have located a rolled 4X4 Ranger in my area that =
I may canabalize. Does a future swap to a 5.0L V8 warrent changing the =
differentials over to full size stuff. How about a rear diff out of a =
Continential with disc brakes?=20
I need a set of tires today and would like to be able to utilize them in =
the scheme of things. The truck is stock with the exception of Bilstien =
shocks, Energy Suspension body mounts and bushings, as well as 2100+ =
watt stereo system.=20
Thank You for your valuable time and recommendations,=20
own an 87'=20
Ranger Extended cab that I wish to convert to a 4X4, I do not wish to =
another truck that is already 4X4 for centamental reasons ie, we've been =
together for 10 years and 210K miles. I recentlly bought a set of MT =
for it as the old tires were bald and I didn't want to waste money on a =
of tires that I would not utilize in it's new 4X4 scheme. So please =
advise me as=20
to what tires to buy. I am not fond of massive lifts, and prefer lifts =
situations that require them. In other words if I could fit 285-75-16s =
fender wells with the addition of cut out flares and still have ample =
clearence I would be satisfied. My goal is stealthy functionallity. The =
currently used as a daily driver and would/ will see weekly off road =
of the race trucks I see are surprisingly low slung with massive amounts =
travel. Having raced motocross and desert for most of my life I like the =
long travel suspensions that suck up the rough stuff yet retain a =
center of gravity.
As I convert to 4X4 =
should I use=20
the standard front suspension and differential or is there a much better =
alternative, such as a full size 4X4 of comparable year or is a sraight =
type best. I'm drawn to the Autofab suspensions. I have located a rolled =
Ranger in my area that I may canabalize. Does a future swap to a 5.0L V8 =
changing the differentials over to full size stuff. How about a rear =
diff out of=20
a Continential with disc brakes?
I need a set of tires =
would like to be able to utilize them in the scheme of things. The truck =
stock with the exception of Bilstien shocks, Energy Suspension body =
bushings, as well as 2100+ watt stereo system.
Thank You for your =
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:33:26 -0400
From: "Dudley H. Wright"
Subject: 1999 F350 Crew cab PS
I am looking for information regarding the 1999 F350 4WD Crew Cab PS. I
am trying to decide whether to buy a 1997 now or wait until the 1999's
come out. Does anyone know if there are any pictures available of it? I
have heard that the rear doors will be smaller than thew doors on the
current crew cab. Is this true. I would be interested in any opinions as
to whether the 1999's supposed to be a better truck.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:13:11 -0700
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: 1999 F350 Crew cab PS
At 07:33 PM 9/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I am looking for information regarding the 1999 F350 4WD Crew Cab PS. I
>am trying to decide whether to buy a 1997 now or wait until the 1999's
>come out. Does anyone know if there are any pictures available of it? I
>have heard that the rear doors will be smaller than thew doors on the
>current crew cab. Is this true. I would be interested in any opinions as
>to whether the 1999's supposed to be a better truck.
I'll let someone else answer the question about a 97 vs. 99 being a better
I personally am holding out for a 1999 4-door supercab F-250 that is
reported to be available ala the new 4 door club cab Dodge Ram trucks that
in the showrooms.
I have seen spy shots of the 1999 F350. They started showing up about april
this year, and can be found in the spy shot/new trend sections of Popular
Mechanics, 4 wheeler, and Motor trend. I'm sure there are others.
A local library may be of some help.
Trailer life has indicated that there will be some photo's in the upcoming
0ctober issue. The best picture to date is in Motor Trend where they have
a 2-3 page article on the 6-door crew wagon. It was about 2-3 months ago. I
don't remember what month. I will repost if I don't see any answers to this.
Note: this info is on Motor Trends web site, but you can't get to it via the
menus, and I can't remember what the url was. Maybe someone else does.
As for the doors, on the 1999 Crew cab F350's, I recently read that
they are the rear doors used on the Expeditions. While there is no need to
have the cutouts on the doors for the F350 Crew cab, it looks like a
manufacturing/cost savings issue. It will be up to you to decide if you like
this or not.
If you've never seen *any* pictures of the 1999 HD style F trucks, then check
out "http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.fuse.net/bring/Fordunleashed.htm" which has the best collection
of the concept F350 powerforce that I've found to date. If nothing else, the
1999 truck should have similar lines to the powerforce from what I can tell.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:35:40 -0600
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: RE:1998, 1999 F250's Trannys
> From: MR JOSH J TENNEY
> To: fordtrucks80uplistservice.net
> Subject: Re: RE:1998, 1999 F250's Trannys
> Date: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 8:56 AM
> From what I can tell, by looking in the Ford source books ('98 vs.
> '94), the manual tranny for the 4.6L vs. the 5.0L is the same. They
> have the same gears and all so they probably are the same.
Well in the original message someone said "it has a Mazda tranny and it
withstand the torque from the 5.4L." That does not make sense to me, I
seen this tranny put up next to the 5.8l and even the 7.3 diesel. (I think
if not please correct me)
91 F150 Custom
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 19:46:12 -0000
Subject: Re: RE:1998, 1999 F250's Trannys
>> From: MR JOSH J TENNEY
>> To: fordtrucks80uplistservice.net
>> Subject: Re: RE:1998, 1999 F250's Trannys
>> Date: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 8:56 AM
>> From what I can tell, by looking in the Ford source books ('98 vs.
>> '94), the manual tranny for the 4.6L vs. the 5.0L is the same. They
>> have the same gears and all so they probably are the same.
>Well in the original message someone said "it has a Mazda tranny and it
> withstand the torque from the 5.4L." That does not make sense to me, I
>seen this tranny put up next to the 5.8l and even the 7.3 diesel. (I think
>if not please correct me)
>91 F150 Custom
Sorry, the tranny that's hooked up behind the PowerStroke and 460 (and
351, I think) is the ZF-made unit.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:04:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 1999 F350 Crew cab PS
The one ton chasis has yet to be officially released. I did see a concept
vehicle though. As far as the doors go, I'm not sure. If the truck looks
like the one I saw,
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:46:42 -0700
From: Dave Wheeler
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #101
Have a 97 F250 HD 4x4 Power Stroke with Auto Xmission. Want to install
a xmission temp. gauge and have question as to where to measure the
temp. I have heard that the pan is right place and also heard that the
right place is in the return line from the cooler?
Whats the opinion of this group, any input will be appreciated!
Regards Dave Wheeler
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:25:42 -0400
From: Max Dooley
Subject: Re: prices
Thom Cheney wrote:
> very cool....I did have a substantial down payment thanks to the
> excellent resale value of my '91 Toyota pickup. With no down and no
> trade I have to wonder which model & options you were able to get for
> that payment....also how LONG will you be paying that amount?
My '97 is an STX the only difference I guess is that mine is 2WD. I
still think we both got killer deals.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:41:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10: Can we say economy?
Just so all are aware, (to my knowledge) the powerstroke gets about 18 MPG
Don't think the 460 or the V-10 will touch that.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:03:52 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Re: 1999 F350 Crew cab PS: some info i dug up
Problem with that page is it's for the F150, not the F350.
Ford, on the other hand, showed why it expects to stay the number one truck
maker for the rest of this century and beyond. Called Power Force, this
concept truck was a thinly veiled rendition of the 1999 F350 heavy duty
pickup. Bigger than the regular F-Series, the Power Force also has the most
aggressive body with curves and bulges at every angle. This concept has
electric fold out running boards and a tailgate that doubles as a cargo
lift, trick accessories that may be left to customizers. Power for the Power
Force, however, is real, Ford's new 6.8 liter V-10 engine with 265
horsepower and stump pulling 410 pound-feet of torque.
Finally, there are V12s - in trucks. Again Autoweek says the soundings in
Detroit say Ford will put
a modular-engine V12 in a high-dollar sport utility at the turn of the
century. Will the market still
be truck crazy by then? Let's hope so, having a V12 production engine from
Ford can only lead to
good things besides a run of Hollywood Hills Expeditions.
And a site that is being revamped, but looks like it has good
Also, they are starting a Truck web ring at this site. . . maybe some of you
will be interested. . .???
Hope some of this helps
'84 Ranger 4x4
Dudley H. Wright wrote:
> I am looking for information regarding the 1999 F350 4WD Crew Cab PS. I
> am trying to decide whether to buy a 1997 now or wait until the 1999's
> come out. Does anyone know if there are any pictures available of it? I
> have heard that the rear doors will be smaller than thew doors on the
> current crew cab. Is this true. I would be interested in any opinions as
> to whether the 1999's supposed to be a better truck.
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:22:28 -0400
From: "Mark J. Salvetti"
Subject: Clutch Slave Cylinder Bleeding
Can anyone offer some tips for bleeding a clutch slave cylinder? This =
is on a 1986 F-150.
Yes, my clutch job continues. After replacing everything associated =
with the clutch, I also replaced the clutch slave. New they come with a =
retaining strap that keeps the piston from coming out until you have the =
unit installed. I bled this by the manual. Add brake fluid with the =
port at about a 30 degree angle until no more air comes out. This =
worked well. When I installed it, I gained some clutch release travel, =
but not enough to completely disengage the clutch. So I figured I'd =
replace the clutch master cylinder too.
That meant disconnecting the new slave cylinder. I easily bled the new =
master after installing it. Used a hose on the outlet that discharged =
into the reservoir. Quickly got it bled with no bubbles showing. Now I =
had to bleed the clutch slave again, only now the piston is fully =
I poured brake fluid in like I did before, I tried rigging up a retainer =
to hold the piston in while I poured in fluid, I filled it, shook it =
around and tapped on it, and finally I tried immersing the port in a jar =
of brake fluid while pumping the piston in and out. None of this =
Each time I thought I got all the air out. When I held the slave with =
the port at the top, there were no bubbles. I gently worked the piston =
in and out, and no bubbles. The jar method seemed to work really well. =
Except I've been unable to completely bleed the cylinder. When I =
reinstalled it after each bleed, I got less release lever travel than I =
did the first time, and my clutch pedal didn't return all the way back =
up. I tried bleeding the slave with it installed using the small bleed =
screw on it, and this didn't work either. I've also tried bleeding the =
master a few more times.
I'm beginning to think I may have damaged the slave, and I'm considering =
buying a new one. Either that or my new master cylinder is bad. Maybe =
I'll reinstall the old one and see if I can get back to where I was when =
I just had the new slave. Or I might try lengthening the master =
cylinder rod that connects to the clutch pedal, except I think it's =
correct now and I don't want to overstroke the piston. Now that I think =
about it, this may be the first thing I'm going to try.
Anyone have any better ideas? This whole story has been the most =
frustrating repair I've ever done. I'm getting nowhere.
1986 F-150, 5.0L, 2WD, 4-spd OD
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